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Gas Gas Ohlins

6th Jan 2009, 17:23

Swingletree

6th Jan 2009, 18:35

You don't need to have it in gear for the starter to crack the nut off. The starter will be trying to move the vehicle as well as undo the nut if its in gear. Have it in neutral with the breaker bar on and just flick it.

If that doesn't work then you would probably be best getting a garage to use an pneumatic impact wrench to undo it then just put it back on to drive back with.

I'd be surprised if the starter doesn't shock it off though.

sharpy1980

6th Jan 2009, 19:55

Another option if you're stuck and cannot get the car to a garage, look up a local commercial tyre fitter most have mobile units who for a drink would probably pass by you're place and use there nut gun to undo it in a jiffy, The wheel nuts on my truck are 450lb ft, also if you are friendly with anybody who works at a haulage firm or bus depot etc basically any firm that runs a fleet or trucks/buses should check wheel nuts weekly at worst all will have torque wrenches like ours which is 4ft long for retorquing and goes upto around 700lb but is also for undoing the wheel nuts when the nut gun is broken (not much fun with 10 wheel nuts lol), make sure you get the right size socket with it from them as they are 1" drive.

Gas Gas Ohlins

6th Jan 2009, 20:53

Sorry..a bit unclear...I tried it on the starter in neutral....the next time I tried it in gear low box and wifey with foot on brakes....bent the bar...just to add to the resistance...no avail....don`t know anyone in bus depot type place as I`m ou in the sticks a bit...maybe an idea to hunt one down though....other than that I`m stumped....im just back from Maroc a few days and I`d just like to get it done...
:rolleyes:

sharpy1980

6th Jan 2009, 20:56

Maybe you could try the mobile tyre fitter (commercial) then, better to be a one man outfit for more chance with the bribe.
best of luck.

P.s or what about a hire shop for a pnuematic gun or commercial torque wrench

Satancom

6th Jan 2009, 22:44

I took mine off with a breaker bar and scaffolding pole. However I stuggled on a hub nut before and borrowed a one in socket and breker bar from a mate.. that with the scaffolding pole had it off like it was finger tight.

Unfortunatly they aint cheap.

Gas Gas Ohlins

7th Jan 2009, 08:00

Yip...I used a scaffolding pole too to no avail...looks like I have to hunt down an impact gun type thingy....having said that...would the pulley holding tool difflock sells,be what I`m after by chance...do any of the inmates know how that works and if that would be the solution...:cool:

Satancom

7th Jan 2009, 08:04

I However I stuggled on a hub nut before and borrowed a one in socket and breker bar from a mate..

I meant to say, One Inch socket and breaker bar... No flex in it whatsoever so no energy is wasted bending the bar :)

Although if you can get an impact gun on it you will probably manage just fine :)

mmgemini

7th Jan 2009, 08:59

Flog it off. Ring spanner. Car in gear. Hit the spanner with at least twp pounds of malleable iron. NOT a club hammer you can't swing those like a proper hammer.

A 300Tdi shouldn't be that tight. It's been overtightened last time.

Gas Gas Ohlins

7th Jan 2009, 11:17

Ok...I`ll try and whollop it with a hammer and ring spanner in low reverse and see what I come up with...no doubt it`ll spring up and bounce into the radiator or my top front teeth...of well,the pleasures of LR ownership...maybe tomorrow as its baltic with 12cms of snow here today!!

I`ll let you know what I come up with and how much my dentists bill will be..:biggrin:

Any other suggestions,inmates,keep `em coming!!

Satancom

7th Jan 2009, 11:27

Have you tried applying heat to it? Get a blow lamp on there, that should help :)

Gas Gas Ohlins

7th Jan 2009, 19:41

Hi Satancom..thanks for your input so far,and that of the others too...yip...tried heat on it too...to no avail...d`oh!!

:D

JayHoe

7th Jan 2009, 19:44

Cut it, split it open with a cold chisel and buy another nut!

stevenA

7th Jan 2009, 19:47

Hi Gas Gas,

Where abouts are you in the Pyrenees - I'm driving down on Saturday and have the difflock tool that is pretty hefty - if you haven't freed it by Sunday, and we are in the same area, we could meet up to shift it. PM me if you are interested

martinl

7th Jan 2009, 19:52

Its hard to believe its THAT tight. you sure your going the right way, LOL :biggrin:..

Earlier suggestions of a pneumatic socket gun should work and thats the basis of my thoughts... SHOCK.. no not a mirror, LOL

I would be using a sturdy ring spanner and a lump hammer, eventually it would go. yes it will, but it may take a lot of shocks to get it moving but I would just keep at it.

SimonHobson

7th Jan 2009, 20:08

...yip...tried search feature but could`nt come with what to do next after the bar on chassis/starter motor method failed. I tried this method lots without any movement of nut. I even got wifey to sit with brakes fully depressed and in low g/box to no avail whilst I used a scaffold pole to bend my Britool breaker bar!!!:(
Just for the record, you want HIGH box. Low box multiplies the torque transmitted through the drivechain and also multiplies any 'give' back through the engine. I would suggest either 5th in high box, or possibly 4th as that goes 'straight through' and so reduces the gearbox backlash to deal with.
The option of the flogging spanner is not possible due to no way to fabricate same.
Well given that you seem to have exhausted most of the other suggestions, it could be time to find someone who can make you one - I'd be really surprised if you don't know ANYONE who can do it (or who at least knows someone who can). It's not hard to make, see this post (http://forum.landrovernet.com/showpost.php?p=1158385&postcount=13).
Another option if you're stuck and cannot get the car to a garage, look up a local commercial tyre fitter most have mobile units who for a drink would probably pass by you're place and use there nut gun to undo it in a jiffy, The wheel nuts on my truck are 450lb ft, also if you are friendly with anybody who works at a haulage firm or bus depot etc basically any firm that runs a fleet or trucks/buses should check wheel nuts weekly at worst all will have torque wrenches like ours which is 4ft long for retorquing and goes upto around 700lb but is also for undoing the wheel nuts when the nut gun is broken (not much fun with 10 wheel nuts lol), make sure you get the right size socket with it from them as they are 1" drive.
It would have to be a big windy gun. Seeing how tight it is, a 1/2" isn't going to even tickle it. let alone shift it :rolleyes:

Gas Gas Ohlins

8th Jan 2009, 07:16

Thanks Simon for that info...I see what you mean ref 4th or 5th...when I loosen the nut of the centre of the clucth on my XR650 I put it in 6th gear whereas most would think 1st .....I`ll give it a whirl like you say and see what I come up with...not today though..still more snow and -5c...I can imagine hitting my knuckles in that temperature...that`d be a Dr`s bill and a dentist bill all at once:D

Thanks..

sharpy1980

8th Jan 2009, 16:46

[quote

It would have to be a big windy gun. Seeing how tight it is, a 1/2" isn't going to even tickle it. let alone shift it :rolleyes:[/quote]

I agree ours is a 1" gun and is good to at least 500lb but still quite compact albeit bloody heavy, judging by the aggro he's having it sounds like it must have been done up with one either that or it has never been off and it's has corroded together a bit

Gas Gas Ohlins

8th Jan 2009, 17:04

Cabbie

8th Jan 2009, 18:32

As old Herbert would say - 'Keep pounding, it'll give in the end'. We took his advice when removing a rear spring hanger bolt from a FX4 taxi. It took two days!!!

sharpy1980

9th Jan 2009, 00:14

Hi Sharpy...the belt was done at 171000kms in July 2005 when I bought it....maybe they used some of that loctite stuff on it....or an epoxy `cuz they messed it up somehow putting it back together...aggghhhhhh!!!...knowing my louck...many a thing said in jest!!

:biggrin:

Ah if you suspect the loctite stuff has been used then heat will definately help but a blow lamp may be to harsh at heat gun should work a treat tho

sharpy1980

9th Jan 2009, 00:16

As old Herbert would say - 'Keep pounding, it'll give in the end'. We took his advice when removing a rear spring hanger bolt from a FX4 taxi. It took two days!!!

2 days you must have been knackered, didn't the neighbours complain about the banging in the middle of the night:D

Gas Gas Ohlins

9th Jan 2009, 07:41

Gas Gas Ohlins

9th Jan 2009, 07:47

Cut it, split it open with a cold chisel and buy another nut

Hey JayHoe...that sounds like a farmers removal method...if you can`t fix it with a sledge...it`s not worth fixing!!!.....

I`ll exhaust the other possibilities first and it just might come to that...funny..never thought of it...

:rolleyes:

Cabbie

9th Jan 2009, 11:17

2 days you must have been knackered, didn't the neighbours complain about the banging in the middle of the night:D

Yeh, much knackerment. The only neighbour who might have been affected is an old lass who is totally deaf. The only objections were from the police who came to see what all the swearing was about. They were ok after a cuppa.

Richie_asg1

9th Jan 2009, 11:37

Penetrating oil and heat works for most things. Could you phone Hire shops in your area for a 1" breaker bar? - maybe the socket for it too?

If it starts getting mashed - maybe better to buy a new one, drill a hole in the side of it, then use a cold chisel to split it off. Time - Money etc.

Gas Gas Ohlins

9th Jan 2009, 14:27

A good idea Richie....it`ll still have to wait though.... -8 today...I`m not playing in that when I don`t have to...:D

What I can foresee though is the wood burning fire and a bottle of red.....

:biggrin:

Gas Gas Ohlins

19th Jan 2009, 17:55

Well...a bit of an update...Steve,earlier on in these threads had asked me to send him a PM as he was heading down to the Pyrenees and would have the special pulley tool with him. By a coincidental and bizarre twist of fate we made contact and it transpired that he was actually visiting the same village in which I live in!!!...:eek:(Of all of the Pyrennes from the Atlantic to the Med`...he was `just around the corner`)

Steve turned out to be a very kind sole indeed. He took the time and effort and used one of his days off to coach me in what I needed to do to change the belt,offering various tips as we went along,and making sure I understood what was mechanically happening.
I can only thank him so much,but all this to say,it`s a credit to the inmates here,in that we all try to help when we can,even if there`s a bit of banter thrown in along the way:)
I know for sure if he ever needed my help I would offer it gladly.If anyone,in the future comes across him,he is as sound as a pound and I look forward to meeting him and his lovely wife again. Next time we will have the time to enjoy a good bottle of red.

Well done to all who tried to assist

Thankyou.

:)