Not switching over to LPG....

[adam1977]

As the title suggests the Rangie is not co-operating and is deciding it likes the fact that the petrol side of things is sorted, and obviously prefers the taste of benzine to LPG :confused: :D

It's getting expensive though, with a combined MPG of 18 (which isn't bad) I'm constantly topping up my Shell points, anyway symptoms are that when it goes to switch over it just dies, I have tested the coil on the reducer-fine, and the valve on the bulkhead-all fine there. I've looked at the emulators to see if there is any corrosion inside, all appears to be ok too :confused: I've also loked at the flow regulator from the reducer, that moves freely enough, so I don't think it's that either.

The only other place to look, I think, is the tanks, is there some sort of electric valve on there that I could check?

As I said, i don't mind it running around on petrol, but it defeats the purpose of why I bought the Rangie in the first place :D any help and advice will be greatly appreciated ;)

[V8_Disco]

There are little solienoids on the tank valve, Mine are Blue and square, my disco is of the road with a fault on one of these (mine is a twin tank system)

More detail on the sytem would be a help, single point multi point etc

Aidan

[adam1977]

There are little solenoids on the tank valve, Mine are Blue and square, my disco is of the road with a fault on one of these (mine is a twin tank system)

More detail on the system would be a help, single point multi point etc

Aidan

My set-up is a mixer type, with twin 40l tanks, and Lambda control. It was working fine up until I got the petrol side working :biggrin:

[V8_Disco]

Adam

My disco has a twin tank system, I am replacing one of the multi valves with a fault on the solinoid. I did not lose the whole system just the range from one tank ... you set up could be different but I dought it

Have you changed the filter on the system? they are quite inexpensive

Aidan

[adam1977]

Adam

My disco has a twin tank system, I am replacing one of the multi valves with a fault on the solenoid. I did not lose the whole system just the range from one tank ... you set up could be different but I doubt it

Have you changed the filter on the system? they are quite inexpensive

Aidan

Yes I changed that last year, as I found it kept cutting out at times :rolleyes: Its got me stumped, just nothing.... :confused:

[landowner]

Yes I changed that last year, as I found it kept cutting out at times :rolleyes: Its got me stumped, just nothing.... :confused:

Check battery connections and earths, mine cut out on gas because of a faulty isolator switch. This didn't affect anything else but aparantly the system needs a good healthy full 12v at least or it will switch off.

good luck

[adam1977]

Well I took it to an autogas fella over Runcorn way, and he was astonished at the way my LPG system has been installed :(



the regualtor was in the wrong place
gas tanks were inadequately protected when installed
gas supply pipe to solenoid valve (which itself was incorrectly placed) hasn't been clamped at the proper intervals

After informing him of the operation that originally installed it, he said he wasn't that surprised, and that the company in question in all likelihoods will be kicked out of the LPG installers federation (or what ever they're called) :rolleyes:

Anyway, he's diagnosed a faulty regulator, and I've got it booked in next week to have the work carried out ;)

[adam1977]

Just to add to my earlier message, the LPG chap also noted that the rear tanks were very corroded and inadequately protected :rolleyes: whilst he's sorting the regulator I'm thinking of asking him to replace the tanks too, so as far as tank options go I'm thinking of having a vertical tank fitted inside (where spare goes) which would eliminate the rust problem... what do you all think of that?

[SimonHobson]

Well I took it to an autogas fella over Runcorn way, and he was astonished at the way my LPG system has been installed :(



the regualtor was in the wrong place
gas tanks were inadequately protected when installed
gas supply pipe to solenoid valve (which itself was incorrectly placed) hasn't been clamped at the proper intervals

After informing him of the operation that originally installed it, he said he wasn't that surprised, and that the company in question in all likelihoods will be kicked out of the LPG installers federation (or what ever they're called) :rolleyes:
And they say you shouldn't do a DIY job as only a "professional" will get it right :rolleyes:
I'd imagine he's referring to the LPGA (LP Gas Association). Personally, I'm getting less and less convinced of their usefulness as a trade body and upholder of standards. There never seems to be a shortage of stories about LPGA members doing shoddy work, or of the LPGA being totally ineffective in dealing with them.

Just to add to my earlier message, the LPG chap also noted that the rear tanks were very corroded and inadequately protected :rolleyes: whilst he's sorting the regulator I'm thinking of asking him to replace the tanks too, so as far as tank options go I'm thinking of having a vertical tank fitted inside (where spare goes) which would eliminate the rust problem... what do you all think of that?
Personally I'd stick with tanks underneath - and give them a good Waxoyl (or similar) when they're fitted. Autotanks (http://www.autotanks.co.uk/) do a cradle to mount two-off 315mm Dia 40l tanks in the space of the existing petrol tank, and mounted there, they seem to be reasonably protected. I had sill tanks on the Disco, and apart from the big dint during green laning, they never suffered unduly.

I actually have one of these cradles, with tanks and valves, sat in my garage - though the cradle needs a bit of "adjustment" :rolleyes: It's from a conversion I did 4 1/2 years ago, and the guy that bought the Range Rover recently went trialling with it - the cradle isn't designed to take 2 tons of vehicle landing on a rock with it as the only support (or whatever he did with it). Let me know if you're interested.

[V8_Disco]

Simon

If he is not I Might be

Aidan

[adam1977]

And they say you shouldn't do a DIY job as only a "professional" will get it right :rolleyes:
I'd imagine he's referring to the LPGA (LP Gas Association). Personally, I'm getting less and less convinced of their usefulness as a trade body and upholder of standards. There never seems to be a shortage of stories about LPGA members doing shoddy work, or of the LPGA being totally ineffective in dealing with them.

Personally I'd stick with tanks underneath - and give them a good Waxoyl (or similar) when they're fitted. Autotanks (http://www.autotanks.co.uk/) do a cradle to mount two-off 315mm Dia 40l tanks in the space of the existing petrol tank, and mounted there, they seem to be reasonably protected. I had sill tanks on the Disco, and apart from the big dint during green laning, they never suffered unduly.

I actually have one of these cradles, with tanks and valves, sat in my garage - though the cradle needs a bit of "adjustment" :rolleyes: It's from a conversion I did 4 1/2 years ago, and the guy that bought the Range Rover recently went trialling with it - the cradle isn't designed to take 2 tons of vehicle landing on a rock with it as the only support (or whatever he did with it). Let me know if you're interested.

I know what you mean about 'so called professionals' trouble is it gives the good installers a bad name :(

I currently have the twin 40l tanks at the back, and I'm just concerned about harsh environment there :rolleyes: putting it inside cuts out any future corrosion problems in my eyes, plus I'd be able to put a proper fuel tank back, and have a long range, should I be unable to find LPG :)

That's the theory anyway, I haven't discussed this with the installer yet, so I'll run it past him.

Aidan, you are most welcome to it sir :)

[SimonHobson]

I know what you mean about 'so called professionals' trouble is it gives the good installers a bad name :(
I agree. I'm half tempted to suggest there should be some sort of proficiency based qualification required - but my experience of looking at such schemes ("Part P"* comes to mind) is that these end up being protectionist by barring competent individuals who aren't able to meet standards laid down on the assumption that those doing the work are doing it professionally. I know several people who have all the skills required to do Part P work safely, and in some cases are better "skilled" than some of the professionals - but cannot get certification to do it.

I certainly wouldn't consider LPGA membership as a suitable standard - as it's laid down, it in effect costs over £100/year which is a lot to shell out if you only do a conversion every year or two. In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest it actively encourages the "throw them in quick" brigade who are working to thin margins and need the quantity to cover the costs. If you are a careful, neat, person who does half the installations because you do them properly, the "qualification tax" is double the amount per job.

* Part P, a newish part of the building regs that means you now have to have domestic wiring done professionally - or inspected and signed off by someone qualified. I know WHY it was brought in, but it won't stop some of the very worst offenders.

I currently have the twin 40l tanks at the back, and I'm just concerned about harsh environment there :rolleyes: putting it inside cuts out any future corrosion problems in my eyes, plus I'd be able to put a proper fuel tank back, and have a long range, should I be unable to find LPG :)
All I can say is that people have been putting tanks underneath for a lot of years, and there have been very few problems. Most problems are non-tank issues - like the straps rotting away and dropping the tank on the road :eek:

Aidan, you are most welcome to it sir :)
Guess I'd best take some piccies then.

[adam1977]

[quote=SimonHobson;1236219]I agree. I'm half tempted to suggest there should be some sort of proficiency based qualification required - but my experience of looking at such schemes ("Part P"* comes to mind) is that these end up being protectionist by barring competent individuals who aren't able to meet standards laid down on the assumption that those doing the work are doing it professionally. I know several people who have all the skills required to do Part P work safely, and in some cases are better "skilled" than some of the professionals - but cannot get certification to do it.

You'd think a test of some sort would be required, domestic gas engineers have to be CORGI registered don't they :rolleyes:


All I can say is that people have been putting tanks underneath for a lot of years, and there have been very few problems. Most problems are non-tank issues - like the straps rotting away and dropping the tank on the road :eek::D exactly why I'd prefer it to remain in the car, although saying that I haven't run it past the installer yet, come to think of it he still hasn't phoned with a price...:rolleyes:


Guess I'd best take some piccies then.Many thanks for the offer anyway Simon ;)

[V8_Disco]

Simon, If you would that would be great

Tanks outside is my preferd option, My Stage 1 has it inboard and its a right pain

A

[adam1977]

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:D exactly why I'd prefer it to remain in the car, although saying that I haven't run it past the installer yet, come to think of it he still hasn't phoned with a price...:rolleyes:Still haven't heard from the LPG fella :confused: have decided that if I don't hear from him tomorrow then I'll do the job myself :rolleyes:

[SimonHobson]

All I can say is that people have been putting tanks underneath for a lot of years, and there have been very few problems. Most problems are non-tank issues - like the straps rotting away and dropping the tank on the road :eek:
:D exactly why I'd prefer it to remain in the car
It's not a problem - all it requires is that someone actually engages brain and uses something suitable. If it's thin and rots then it'll give way after a while. If it's rots but starts thick, or is thin but doesn't rot, then it'll last :rolleyes: A piece of 3mm flat bar takes a while to rust through :)

[discofever13]

did a conversion and fitted it my self on a 3.9 v8 classic and onestly if you can plum them you can fit one of these kits realy easy plug a laptop in to the ecu or pay some one (which is what I did (75 again but worth it as it put our old girl up to 15 on lpg some times 20mpg and when youve done book it in for a safty check (£75) and youre away, and under slung tanks are good Id personaly stear clear of the spaire wheel types they can be a pain for suddenly running out. PS the big pluses of internal tanks is less to corode,
and when offroading you cant nock them off lol

[adam1977]

Still haven't heard from the LPG fella :confused: have decided that if I don't hear from him tomorrow then I'll do the job myself :rolleyes:He didn't call, so I called TinlyTech and ordered a complete new system, including an internal tank :D what is it with people? don't they want the business? we are in a recession after all :rolleyes:

It should be here tomorrow, hopefully by the end of the week it should be all fitted; I'll probably need help and advice though :)

[adam1977]

and under slung tanks are good Id personally steer clear of the spare wheel types they can be a pain for suddenly running out. PS the big pluses of internal tanks is less to corrode,
and when offroading you cant knock them off lol


Is it common for the internal tanks to suddenly run out then? surely they're designed better than that :rolleyes:

I hear what you're saying about the corrosion and getting knocked off :D:D

[SimonHobson]

He didn't call, so I called TinlyTech and ordered a complete new system, including an internal tank :D what is it with people? don't they want the business? we are in a recession after all :rolleyes:

It should be here tomorrow, hopefully by the end of the week it should be all fitted; I'll probably need help and advice though :)
See my sig :wink:

Is it common for the internal tanks to suddenly run out then? surely they're designed better than that :rolleyes:
It's probably more a size thing, internal tanks tend to be smaller so you are going to be more tempted (or forced) to use it all due to limited range. To put it in perspective, I've got about 90l usable capacity under my 110, a tank that big would just about fill the the entire boot space of a Range Rover, and a vertical toroidal to replace the Range Rover spare will (if I read my catalogue right) probably only hold half the amount. I can tell you from experience (when I first did my Disco without the sill tanks), only 100 mile range on gas is "tiresome" :(

I hear what you're saying about the corrosion and getting knocked off :D:D
Well plenty of people (including me) haven't had any problem :)

[discofever13]

Is it common for the internal tanks to suddenly run out then? surely they're designed better than that :rolleyes:

I hear what you're saying about the corrosion and getting knocked off :D:D
its the donought tanks that seem to be more prone to air locks but once they have been filled up a few times you are away and go buy milage on fuel much more reliable dont trust the gauge (I learnt this on a lpg only truck) they are just as happy to run lpg only our rrc been this way for three years no problems I sold her and wished I had not it was a pain in the bum hated water smelled it at 100 yards lol:D Ive just got a real good 4ltr disco v8 going to be lpg converting asap she is mint propper chelsy tractor will soon change that:D
but got to wait for v5 b4 I can tax him as its a bit complicated but worth the waight as its is that clean as soon as I can Ill get photos on hear

[adam1977]

See my sig :wink:

It's probably more a size thing, internal tanks tend to be smaller so you are going to be more tempted (or forced) to use it all due to limited range. To put it in perspective, I've got about 90l usable capacity under my 110, a tank that big would just about fill the the entire boot space of a Range Rover, and a vertical toroidal to replace the Range Rover spare will (if I read my catalogue right) probably only hold half the amount. I can tell you from experience (when I first did my Disco without the sill tanks), only 100 mile range on gas is "tiresome" :(

I've gone for the 88 litre one, 8 litres more than my old set up, think I mainly got about 160 miles between fill ups :rolleyes: mind you when I eventually source an original fuel tank I won't have to worry about running out of fuel :biggrin:




Well plenty of people (including me) haven't had any problem :)I know, it's just me, plus the fact it might just be easier to install :D

[adam1977]

its the doughnut tanks that seem to be more prone to air locks but once they have been filled up a few times you are away and go buy mileage on fuel much more reliable don't trust the gauge (I learnt this on a LPG only truck)

Ah right, something to watch out for then ;) the little lights on my old set up didn't seem too bad actually, maybe I just got lucky (well, with the gauge anyway...) :rolleyes:

[V8_Disco]

I know, it's just me, plus the fact it might just be easier to install :D

Nop they are harder with venting and air tight box, not bad though

A

[adam1977]

Well the kit arrived this afternoon, quick delivery! I put the tank in the boot, seeing how it would all fit etc, I've decided to put it where the sub goes, I'll have to modify the parcel shelf but that's no big deal :)

As far as sorting out the vents go, well it looks pretty straightforward, I'll see how it goes anyway ;)

I'll report back tomorrow on my progress :D