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earl_of_essex
17th Aug 2004, 15:42
Ok, so I'm curious - why are so many Land Rover drivers anti-freelander? Is the same scorn reserved for other (less capable) soft roaders? Or would it be ok if I drove a 2 wheel drive RAV 4?

A friend of mine heaps derision on my Freelander even though her 90 has never been off road in 2 years of ownership whereas my Freelander has!

Objective answers only please, no "It's a hairdressers car" or "shopping trolley" etc! :-)

Luke
17th Aug 2004, 15:46
I've only been a recent member of the Land Rover scene, but prior to this I have never considered the Freelander as a "proper" Land Rover.

I'm not sure why, but maybe it's because I have personally only ever seen them driven by women, around town and almost always perfectly clean.

My own idea of the definative Landrover is the Defender, but that may just be because of my cadet teen years.

If I've ever seen pics of off road Landys, they have always been defenders, series or discoverys.

Only recently have I seen any evidence of Freelanders off road and my opinion of them is changing.

tomm
17th Aug 2004, 15:49
So .. are you not a hairdresser then !?!!!

:clapabove

earl_of_essex
17th Aug 2004, 15:53
So .. are you not a hairdresser then !?!!!

:clapabove
No, I don't even have hair! Full on Kojak job, me.

SVENUK
17th Aug 2004, 16:05
EoE
I think you find that as the Freelander does not have the ground clearance of a Disco/RR/90/series vehicle it won't be brought by landy enthusiats.Unfortunatly they have made a lower version for the tarmac as well
I know they go offroad but they are severely limited by the lack of clearance.
I have been in one - a TD 4 and to be honest i was not that impressed by it .but as i drive 3 v8's i'm a bit biased.
David

jjsaul
17th Aug 2004, 16:23
I agree with what Luke (i think) said about having never seen freebies off road before. I also agree that they are probably more capable off road than i assumed however they are not as competent off road as a defender or series mainly due to lack of low box and ground clearance.



but as i drive 3 v8's i'm a bit biased.
David
Lucky sod, we only have one :(

earl_of_essex
17th Aug 2004, 16:40
I also agree that they are probably more capable off road than i assumed however they are not as competent off road as a defender or series mainly due to lack of low box and ground clearance.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking traditional land rovers! And I wouldn't dream of saying a Freelander is as capable as a Defender or a Series (I'm not suicidal!).

Some interesting points so far. Must admit to having been a bit worried when I started the thread that I'd get some abuse, but everyone seems to be nice so far (even if I do drive the wrong car).

Mean Green
17th Aug 2004, 16:57
It is just a change thing ... LR owners dont like change and a Freeby looks different and is therefore poo!! :D

What do you mean other 4x4's? I didnt realise there were other 4x4's???

Rav 4 .... AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!

anyway .....

I have witnessed (as have others on this forum) a Suzuki Jimny leave fully tricked up RR's and Defenders bogged down and needing pulled out!! and all that on road tyres!!!

jjsaul
17th Aug 2004, 17:01
I have witnessed (as have others on this forum) a Suzuki Jimny leave fully tricked up RR's and Defenders bogged down and needing pulled out!! and all that on road tyres!!!

The Suzuki's have a slight weight (or lack of) advantage there!

toiletduck
17th Aug 2004, 17:03
the important thing to remember even about Freelanders is that they're made by Land Rover, so they've still had a lot of testing and designing aimed at off-road driving, sadly of course not that many people use them to their full ability, but i'd rather see people buying freelanders and putting money into land rovers than buying any other plastic american/japanese/german "SUV".

si_guru
17th Aug 2004, 17:05
The Suzuki's have a slight weight (or lack of) advantage there!

Plus, contrary to popular believe, they are a proper off road vehicle.

Seperate Chassis
Live axles
Transfer box
Locking hubs

My wife has one and I so want to really give it workout off road!

White Fox
17th Aug 2004, 17:15
Suzi don't make me laugh
I turned up at my son's Sea Cadet unit one Sunday, they had been trying for one hour using a suzy to drag a large boat out of the river, grass full of skid marks. Hooked up my 110, just above tick-over low ratio 1st, and up she came. My son was the hero:) the suzy driver just dropped his head.
nuff said.

G r a h a m
17th Aug 2004, 17:35
the important thing to remember even about Freelanders is that they're made by Land Rover, so ...all the oil leaks out, lots of water leaks in, the panel fit is appalling, there are lots of rattles to listen to, and you spend more time underneath them than driving them? :->

robzki
17th Aug 2004, 17:36
haha

tbh there is an undeniable putdown aimed at any offroader that isn't owned by yourself. It is similar to the friendly banter between leafers and coilers imho, and I don't think there is any malice intended. to me any 4x4 is good, my favs being l200 warriors, discos, and landcruisers, but then these will all get putdown as japcrap or coilercrap. I also love series and all others including the freelander. The thing I don't like is 4x4s that aren't used as such, dropping the kidz to school, or as status symbols. A muddy vitara will get a lot more respect from me than a kitted out landcruiser amazon that has been polished to within an inch of its life.

just my 2pence worth, and I reserve the right to change my mind due to pressure from my peers :smallprin

Michelle
17th Aug 2004, 18:38
Don't know about anyone else but I tend to consider the freelander as a bit of a 'sellout', a rather blatant attempt at mimicing the rav4 or Honda crv type body style in an attempt to nab some of their customers. It's not that I don't respect those other vehicle types, just consider the freelander Landrovers idea of conforming to the norm for $$. But then again, that's what they're in it for so perhaps it's fair enough.

Newsreader
17th Aug 2004, 19:22
:nonono:The reality is that if they hadn't been raking in money from these high-selling so called 'hairdresser' and 'school run' vehicles in recent years, then they couldn't afford to produce the rough tough stuff. Whether the purists / traditionalists like it or not, those vehicles are the hand that feeds ... :)

landynutter
17th Aug 2004, 19:49
they are still a landy, more suited to on road than off, becauuse they wont take damage well, but they are still bloody good offroad, rally style stuff is proberly more suited to it but it will still go were ay disco will.

All new landys tho got to much electonic stuff to make up for lack of driver skill offroad, even coils do that
BRING BACK THE LEAFERS

imago
17th Aug 2004, 19:58
Freelanders are excellent vehicles, when used for the purpose they were designed for. That purpose should be clear due to the (already stated) lack of low range and ground clearance.

They are as good as you're going to get in their class, and you wouldn't try to stick half a ton in the back and drive up and down mountains off road with a Freelander anymore than you would want to cruise round city streets or the motorways in a Defender. But people do, why?. Because they want to, and they can I suppose.

Be honest, I doubt that there are many people on this (or any other forum) who use there Land Rover in a place where they NEED 4WD, with the diff locked and low range selected more than 10% of the time they drive.

When iot comes down to it I think it's a case of personal choice and the right car for the job.

Oh, and BTW, the only reason that Land Rover has stayed in business is the Freelander. Like it or not, the 'true' Land Rover, the Defender, could dissappear off the production line and the only people that would make a fuss are the enthusiasts.

Proffit and loss in the motor industry is a funny thing. For example, did you know that there is more profit for the company in selling a wood kit as an optional extra on a RR than there is in selling a Freelander? Volume and aftersales is where the profit lie.

Astbury
17th Aug 2004, 20:04
Nothing is wrong with freelanders at all and the same goes for the mini, smart car Lotus, VW beetle or rolls. every is free to buy and drive what ever they like and whatever they need out of a car. it is just down to a little joke now and then that as you say can go both ways! i.e. you can probably take this p**s out of your friend more for owning a defender and never taking it off road EVER! after all a defender was built for off road, farm use and so on. you have a freelander that is qite handy off road but also drives and feels like a conventional car with a few advantages!

It is just those/us Defender driver if we are honest probably like looking down (maybe a little over the top way of putting it) on lesser able 4x4 cars (in a true off road ability sense).

Zurich has 100's of defender driver that never venture on anything more demanding than a gravel drive way! they carry no more than the family ski's or maybe a bike.

to be honest many times I wish when on a very long drive I was in a car, even my wifes Smart car over driving the Defender for 000's of k's

All said when it does come to off road a Defender is hard to beat while at the same time how many cars are so lego like that almost anyone can have fun building, fixing and playing way above and beyond the cr*p that Halfords sell!

Just my view.

Ok you can all shoot me down now....
C

Porny
17th Aug 2004, 20:09
Hairdressers car...... maybe slightly.......
- But my brothers got one and he's more than happy with it!

Slightly OT....
I heard a funny story about the BMW X5.....

Apparently, when Land Rover gave a helping hand - testing it's off road capabilites, they had to invent a new test that it would actually pass!!!
- as it failed all of Land Rovers current tests, even those that the Freelander could quite easily cope with.


Freelanders can look quite good to:

Geobloke
17th Aug 2004, 20:10
Yup some really good points here. I think its a case of putting the freelander in context! It was originally developed to fill the gap in the LR range, small comfy SUV. To give peeps a LR to compare RAV4's, CRV's, HRV's, ect. with and I think i'me right in saying that the freebie is still the biggest seller in its class! Well done LR and like Bernie says the profits from it get ploughed back in to LR to benefit us all!

Now because it is a LR it has an incredible off road pedigree and is still pretty competent in the ruff stuff, however like has been said their major downfall is the lack of clearance. That doesn't stop them though, some are used as they can be and well done to those of you who do! The fact that the oil leaks out and the water leaks in just goes further to prove that they are a real LR!!

Cheers

Geobloke

DiscoMatt
17th Aug 2004, 20:51
Perhaps I am unique, so far on this thread? I have owned a Freelander and I have driven it extensively off-road. :cheesey:

I had one of the first ones from the production line in 1997 when they first came out. Sure, it doesn't have the ground clearance of a Defender. It doesn't have a low-box. And it probably doesn't have the power. But its still a Land Rover, and its still very capable off-road. Come on you people, Land Rover wouldn't turn out a vehicle that couldn't. Have you no faith in your favourite marque?

At the airbase I used to live at in Germany, we had a large off-road driving circuit in a section of wood that was used for driver training. I used to pop out and use it at the weekend. Got the Freelander into some pretty tight scrapes and she always kept on plugging.

The lack of ground clearance is acknowledged by pretty good underbody protection as standard: grounded her several times, but she either just pushed on through, or could easily reverse off. Never any damage. When the road-tyres weren't gripping the mud, the TC sorted it out and through we went. When the road tyres were slipping and the windscreen was full of ground, the HDC cut it and sorted it all out. When low box was required, I had to ride the clutch a little, but never got stuck. Unlike the RAV4 that I had before that I did manage to stick once or twice, although that at least had a central difflock and a tad more power. (Oops, did I just admit to Toyota ownership on the LR forum - sorry it was a long time ago when I was young and impressionable!).

I can also bring this uptodate, because I took out a Freelander for the whole day today as the Management is considering one. Had a brand spanking new Td4 SE (leather seats and all the trimmings). It was excellent and a huge improvement on the earlier models. Personally I thought that the Td4 was pretty good for a dee-zell, but then what would you expect from a BMW engine?

EoE, for the sake of controversy, if you want my take on why Land Rover owners are sniffy about Freelanders its simply because most LR owners don't like something which is comfortable, well-equipped, reliable and capable on-road. I think it reminds them (you?) how utterly uncomfortable and deaf they are in their Series and 90/110s...

(Teehee, only the most pompous responses, please!)

Astbury
17th Aug 2004, 21:00
" its simply because most LR owners don't like something which is comfortable, well-equipped, reliable and capable on-road."

Nail on the head mate.

Though the a Defender is still the best at being the best at what it was built for ;) but then so is the Freelander the best at what it was built for!

Horses for courses?

C

Astbury
17th Aug 2004, 21:06
Any way just thought of one to put back to you.

what do freelander owners think of Defender drivers?
C

Bob
17th Aug 2004, 21:10
" Seriously, whats wrong with Freelanders? "

Very little ... unless you are one of those sad creatures who believes their oil-dripping, roof-leaking, fuel guzzling Series Land Rover / Defender is a ***** extension, or you are one of the even sadder people who are gullible enough to believe what they say about Freelander without ever having driven it off-road. Certainly, Freelander has less ground clearance and greater turning circle than a Ninety, but unless you are one of the maybe one percent who actually use their Land Rover for serious axle articulating off-roading, you'd never know the difference.

And don't knock the RAV4 - I've taken one of the short wheelbase versions places that most Defender 90 owners would bottle out of. I reckon 90% of off-road ability hinges more on the experience of the driver and his/her attention to terrain, than to the make of 4x4 they are driving

Bob

toiletduck
17th Aug 2004, 23:16
Apparently, when Land Rover gave a helping hand - testing it's off road capabilites, they had to invent a new test that it would actually pass!!!
- as it failed all of Land Rovers current tests, even those that the Freelander could quite easily cope with.

Reminds me of Top Gear's review of the X3....
absolutely hilarious, and well work a watch/(laugh at) if you can find a recording :D

paul (panda)
18th Aug 2004, 03:20
i can see nothing wrong with it except the expensive servicing and maintenance that all landrovers share anyway if your not mechanically minded like me , sure the ground clearance isnt the best but instead of riding the ruts straddle them . the way i see a freelander is landrovers way of introducing a starter vehicle to the rest of there 4x4 range .
i,m also one of the few percentage of people who off road /green lane a freelander and havent come across any major problems as yet , well maybe one whilst straddling some defender depth ruts and err slipped in from the rear so had to spend the next 15 or so metres dragging the underside , after which there was no damage ( at least thought the exhaust would depart the vehicle ) . the electronics work well although i find there is a slight delay whilst they kick in and sort the wheel speed and traction out . tbh it wasnt my first choice landrover but i coudnt afford (poor me ) a 3 year old disco with less than 20 k on the clock simple as that . the freelander can still cope with its primary function i bought it for and that was to transport a stupid boxer dog the missus and the little lad with oodles of camping equipment stacked in the back . then green laneing came second on the list of priorities .
i even had it going down rocky lanes with some freelander sill crunching steps but with careful planning of the route the hdc on avoided crunching it . from my own admittance a defender or even disco would have easily cleared the steps without steering around and up and down etc lol
i,m happy with it although i have my eye out for a TD4 to trade with as i,m unhappy with the 1.8 's fuel consumption .
i also had to keep in mind family comfort as well , without a family it would have been 11k spent on a defender no doubt about it .
my local specalist also has some special build landrovers (his own modified designs )for sale i,m eyeing up just to off road :smallprin

just waiting for winter now to see how it copes with snow and ice

i dont care if other landrover owners dont like it or look down on it , i like it and so does my family and thats all that matters .

a spanner for the works for you
from a lr mag i was reading when the new shape freelander came out and was tested

tester took it to an off road centre and was doing hill starts on a steep grass bank to see how it copes setting off under those conditions and said
quote " it set off straight away with minimum revs and the traction control helping it along much to the disgust of the more traditional landrover series owners who were there and getting stuck on the same bank "
model tested was the TD4
same tester also took it in convoy with a defender and a disco to scotland in the snow and it only needed pulling up a steep incline once by the defender , and the defender also had to rescue the disco which also struggled on the incline

argue over that to your hearts content lol

is that post long enough lol :blush:

Michelle
18th Aug 2004, 03:54
as I said, I respect those other types of vehicles, I'm not knocking any of them. I still would like one day to get a landcruiser troopy ute. And the CRV's etc provide nice safer town driving due to their height over other cars etc, I could sing the praises of any of the ones people think I'm bagging. Just that to hard core landrover enthusiasts the freelander doesn't fit in I guess. But to the same hard core LR lovers, the discovery (which I have) probably doesn't fit in either does it? TOo comfy, too soft looking, not as tough as the defender (the defender at least retains some of the characteristics and looks of the earlier LR vehicles). It all boils down to resentment of change - freelander & disco v's defender, leafer v's coiler...etc etc. And because most are seen to be driven by mums dropping kids off at school etc, it's assumed that is All they are good for when in reality it's a good entry level landrover, not all could handle the bigger ones straight off.
I'm not saying I agree with any of it, I'm just having a crack at explaining the other side (one thing I can do well is understand both sides of an argument, hence I don't get into many myself because I empathise too much with my opponent :()

paul (panda)
18th Aug 2004, 16:36
i suppose the phrase

"dont knock til you,ve tried it rings true "


i know what your saying michelle , i,ve even got my eyes on my next purchase after the freelander , the new shape jeep cherokee lol
yup i said it a jeep cherokee lol

Sandy M.
18th Aug 2004, 16:58
................ comfortable, well-equipped, reliable and capable on-road.

...........is that why Strathclyde Police are ditching Freelanders in favour of Rav4, and Mitsubushi Shoguns for Rural Patrol cars?

paul (panda)
18th Aug 2004, 17:00
cheaper to run sandy imho and probably more reliable
the green oval isnt favoured for its reliability just lately

probably the same reason they ditched range rovers for motorway use for volvo estates

Newsreader
18th Aug 2004, 17:14
...........is that why Strathclyde Police are ditching Freelanders in favour of Rav4, and Mitsubushi Shoguns for Rural Patrol cars?
Sandy, I understand that Tayside ditched Land Rovers on cost grounds - they couldn't get enough discount :(

Newsreader
18th Aug 2004, 17:17
cheaper to run sandy imho and probably more reliable
the green oval isnt favoured for its reliability just lately

probably the same reason they ditched range rovers for motorway use for volvo estates
My local bobby said he would have much preferred the green oval for longevity and ability to 'go anywhere', but the purchase price is too high, so instead he gets something cheaper that will go 'pretty much most places it needs to' but will fall apart far more quickly (non-descript 4x4, don't even know what make it is :D )

nomercy
1st Apr 2008, 20:27
Wanna get more about off road freealnders?
you could find out on "mad freelanders" website
;););)

Cannonball Bob
1st Apr 2008, 20:44
D'you really think anyone who had a Freelander back in 2004 when this thread was last visited will still have it in 2008?

myrdinn
1st Apr 2008, 21:14
There aren't many exterior mods available fo offroading for them, like bumpers or rock and tree sliders or chequer plate. I think that they were designed for the school run although they held up ok an the flat run on the camel trophy, nicely supported by the 110's and disco's.
I've seen them at car shows with one front wheel up on an 8" tree stump.. its looks kinda cute and makes you want to stroke it.
I think LandRover should have made an electric car or an all terrain van instead of this model really.

bilge rat
1st Apr 2008, 23:10
D'you really think anyone who had a Freelander back in 2004 when this thread was last visited will still have it in 2008?

iff they have just think of the amount of head gaskets they would have got through (k series of course);)

Cannonball Bob
2nd Apr 2008, 00:07
My point exactly.

TBM
2nd Apr 2008, 11:51
Instead of adding any comments I've given myself lines.....

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nobber
2nd Apr 2008, 13:46
Ok, so I'm curious - why are so many Land Rover drivers anti-freelander? Is the same scorn reserved for other (less capable) soft roaders? Or would it be ok if I drove a 2 wheel drive RAV 4?

A friend of mine heaps derision on my Freelander even though her 90 has never been off road in 2 years of ownership whereas my Freelander has!

Objective answers only please, no "It's a hairdressers car" or "shopping trolley" etc! :-)

because they are gay?

JOHNSTAR
2nd Apr 2008, 15:47
because they are gay?

:LAA::D:D

MPi-KMS-72
2nd Apr 2008, 17:24
The Freeloaders we got must have been especially bad- Land Rover North America has supposedly exhausted their supply of spare engines for them. We only got petrol ones here but the Freeloader gave LR such a black eye they decided to rename them the LR2 to disassociate them from the previous product.

Llanigraham
2nd Apr 2008, 17:52
D'you really think anyone who had a Freelander back in 2004 when this thread was last visited will still have it in 2008?

I've just part exchanged the one I bought in 2003 for another one!
No real problems with it and Powys 4x4 Response will tell you the places I have put it, when they didn't believe it would get there.
However will admit it was a diesel!!

DEFENDER 01
2nd Apr 2008, 17:54
I see the Freelander as a Land Rover gap filler and they do that very well.
don't lean on the front wing first time i did that it wraps its self around you i was surprised to find it made of plastic. :eek:
like i said a gap filler aimed to fill the gap i wouldn't personally want one as my 110 Defender does everything i need and more but they are profitable for Land Rover or is that TA TA :( which is the main thing.

mazzyjane
2nd Apr 2008, 18:22
A freelander is a landrover, its just different to 90's/110's etc.... We have been very suprised of what she can do. we have 5door 2lt diesel and she runs like a dream.....of course the freelander was made to be more of a family truck than a work horse
Not sure about a gap filler but each to their own.... I always say dont knock it till you tried it...

(love my freebie face)

Mj

Dave Sumner
2nd Apr 2008, 18:35
I have driven a Freelander 2 on the LR Experience course-it was very good. Nice car if a bit pricey. Waiting to see how they fare in the relaibility stakes then may buy one!

mazzyjane
2nd Apr 2008, 18:41
I really like the Fl2 but like the RR/fl they are a bit to pretty looking...I wish they made them alittle more like trucks.....
I love the look of the defender and am saving for one but with better tec n lower emessions I would rather have a fl2 or disco.....
still not gonna knock my freelander tho cause she is great for what she is :rolleyes:

Mogwyth
2nd Apr 2008, 20:16
Well the Freelander is still in the running to be our next car, going to test drive one at the weekend not a new one 2 yrs old, not top of the list others are more economical/reliable. But it ticks most of the boxes for what we realy need in a car, although OH still fancies an x type estate.

mazzyjane
2nd Apr 2008, 21:42
Well the Freelander is still in the running to be our next car, going to test drive one at the weekend not a new one 2 yrs old, not top of the list others are more economical/reliable. But it ticks most of the boxes for what we realy need in a car, although OH still fancies an x type estate.

As long as you buy the right freebie, i will say they are top 'mini' truck.....

DEFENDER 01
2nd Apr 2008, 22:45
A freelander is a landrover, its just different to 90's/110's etc.... We have been very suprised of what she can do. we have 5door 2lt diesel and she runs like a dream.....of course the freelander was made to be more of a family truck than a work horse
Not sure about a gap filler but each to their own.... I always say dont knock it till you tried it...

(love my freebie face)

Mj
Dont get me wrong i am not knocking it at all i think you misunderstood.
as for trying one i have driven and worked on them all that goes with my job. ;)

Devon-Rover
3rd Apr 2008, 00:40
I have met and seen a chap who RTV's a freelander.

Ok it has a roll cage and full underbody protection. But with the V6 and auto box it'll do just as well and if not better as every other landy off road.

fergie2035
3rd Apr 2008, 11:22
The reason is this - gulp:eek: - many drivers of traditional landrovers like to fancy the idea that they, and their vehicles, have a macho, rufty-tufy tough guy image and as the freelander is primarily designed as an on road car with rather good) off road abilities it doesn't quite fit with that image. The Series vehicles and defender are obviously workgin vehicles, the disco is BIG and four wheel drive and the Range Rover is BIG and expensive too so they are ok but the poor wee Freebie is seen as the "wife's car". There I've said the unthinkable. I'd better get my coat now...

I have a series and a freelander. I haven't tried it in case I hurt it but I think that with the traction control, it could go places that the series wouldn't but the lack of a low range would limit it quite a lot for serious rough terrain off road use and for towing.

Why do I have a series?.... er ...as above probably.

neddyuk
3rd Apr 2008, 21:00
As a recent owner of a freebie i am quite taken aback by some of the comments from other landrover owners.I see my freelander as a proper"landy",which is the reason i bought it.I didnt want jap german or yank,although especially the jap and german 4x4,s are probably more reliable,i wanted something british,well indian now,a 4x4 with great heritage.A rangy was well out of my price range,a disco too big,and a defender both.But i wanted a landrover and the freebie fits all the catagories i wanted,looks good,able to be used as a daily car around town,on motorways etc,comfortable,capable of of road when,or if needed,and above all a landrover.I could easily have gone out and bought a focus or an astra but i didnt,and because of people like me buying freelanders and not the afore mentioned vehicles landrover are able to keep on making all the other"proper" landrovers.Come on people,we are all proud owners of our landrovers,do you think BMW owners argue about whats a proper BMW or not? I dont think so.

TEMPL4R
3rd Apr 2008, 21:11
As Neddy says, the Freelander was aimed at the car driver who wanted 4wd, in that, it is doing a good job. We can sell as many as we put on the pitch. ( I test all trade ins, so about 1/3 go straight to the auctions) very few want the V6s, but the interiors and looks of the later models definitely make them nice cars to own. I haven't changed a VC or IRD off one later than a Y plate, so maybe they are sorted after that, but 2002 and after seem OK.

Chris

Dave78
3rd Apr 2008, 21:21
As a recent owner of a freebie i am quite taken aback by some of the comments from other landrover owners.I see my freelander as a proper"landy",which is the reason i bought it.I didnt want jap german or yank,although especially the jap and german 4x4,s are probably more reliable,i wanted something british,well indian now,a 4x4 with great heritage.

Interesting you didn't want Jap, German or Yank.. as you put it, given that since the Freelanders launch.. Land Rover have been German (when Land Rover were owned by BMW), then America (when Land Rover were,and still are, owned by Ford) and will soon be Indian (when TATA complete all the paperwork)... :D

neddyuk
3rd Apr 2008, 21:23
Ha ha,didnt think of that,you got me there.

Dave78
3rd Apr 2008, 21:33
Ha ha,didnt think of that,you got me there.

tee hee.. at work (I work for LR) we often have the discussion what makes a car British..

is it who owns the company, then Land Rover hasn't been British since British Aerospace sold them to BMW years ago... or

is it where the cars are manfactured, then that makes some Toyotas/Nissans/Honda British cars - although most people will tell you that Toyota/Nissan/Honda are Japanese... or

is it where the cars are designed, then that make the Kia Ceed a European car, but Kia is a Korean company right... or

is it from where the parts that go into your car come from... in which case your current Land Rovers are German, Japanese, Mexico, Portugal etc etc..

is it the people who design/engineer the vehicle... in which case I can tell you from first hand your freelander/discovery etc is English, Irish, German, Indian, Scottish, Swedish, Polish etc etc.

So what makes a freebie a british car?? :D

jozg44
3rd Apr 2008, 21:37
I reckon it's simply because Land Rover enthusiasts (as a whole) don't really do 'change'. The Discovery got a lot of flak for 'not being a proper Land Rover' when it came out, and now they're just as popular with enthusaists as the utility models. Because the Freelander doesn't have a chassis, a transfer box, oodles of axle articulation or ground clearance it will probably never be considered in quite the same way as the rest of the range, but that isn't to knock it in any way. It's certainly the best off-roader in its class and on a slippery, wet field will show anything without traction control a clean pair of heels.

I've only driven one Freelander (a 55-reg Td4 3-door) and was very impressed. The engine is a beauty- smooth, quiet, really punchy in the mid-range and with a pleasant amount of turbo whistle (which is always nice). I was expecting it to feel like a Rover 200 (a car I have driven a lot), but was surprised that instead of feeling like a big car it felt like a small Discovery- solid, chunky and with a nice view over a big flat bonnet. The Freelander certainly gets my vote.

Jack

TEMPL4R
3rd Apr 2008, 21:46
tee hee..
is it the people who design/engineer the vehicle... :D
Wait until I get my hands on the bloke that "designed" the X Type Jag.:mad:

You've no ideas have you Dave...:rolleyes:

Chris

neddyuk
3rd Apr 2008, 21:55
tee hee.. at work (I work for LR) we often have the discussion what makes a car British..

is it who owns the company, then Land Rover hasn't been British since British Aerospace sold them to BMW years ago... or

is it where the cars are manfactured, then that makes some Toyotas/Nissans/Honda British cars - although most people will tell you that Toyota/Nissan/Honda are Japanese... or

is it where the cars are designed, then that make the Kia Ceed a European car, but Kia is a Korean company right... or

is it from where the parts that go into your car come from... in which case your current Land Rovers are German, Japanese, Mexico, Portugal etc etc..

is it the people who design/engineer the vehicle... in which case I can tell you from first hand your freelander/discovery etc is English, Irish, German, Indian, Scottish, Swedish, Polish etc etc.

So what makes a freebie a british car?? :D
Alright alright,you have "definately" got me now.It was originally British,was'nt it?

Dave78
3rd Apr 2008, 22:12
Wait until I get my hands on the bloke that "designed" the X Type Jag.:mad:

You've no ideas have you Dave...:rolleyes:

Chris

Wasn't me, honest gov..

bilge rat
4th Apr 2008, 09:16
Wait until I get my hands on the bloke that "designed" the X Type Jag.:mad:

You've no ideas have you Dave...:rolleyes:

Chris

quite a while ago ,but yeah horrible arent they. transfer box's, auto g/boxs,electrical probs, think the deisels were the best of the lot. from what i gather they have improved....alan...

TEMPL4R
4th Apr 2008, 11:31
Try changing the Diesel serpentine belt and tensioner, A. :(

We've got it down to about an hour if 2 of us do it.

Anyone found the quick way?

Chris

Snagger
4th Apr 2008, 19:08
I had a TD4 Freelander as a courtesy car a few weeks ago. Did I like it? No, not really. To be honest, I still don't regard them as a "full on" LR, but then again, I don't see the D3 or RRC as a proper LR either.

As a car, the Freelander seems pretty good. If I were to consider replacing the 109 or RRC with something more conventional, it would almost certainly be a Freelander. It's the best at what it does, and was fairly comfortable, spacious and easy to drive. It doesn't have the same capacity for work that a Series or Defender has and is not capable of the same sort of terrain as my RRC due to the clearance and lack of low box. But it's not designed for that sort of thing - it's an all-round family car for those who tow caravans or drive up farm tracks a lot or need some mild off-road ability. It's meant to compete against standard road cars in it's normal handling, comfort and economy, and meant to be cheaper to buy and run than its bigger siblings, and at that it does very well.

Would I want one? Only if I couldn't have another LR (discounting FCs), but that's no criticism of the Freelander, rather it's high praise of the other models. But I'd rather have a Freelander than any other make.

bilge rat
4th Apr 2008, 22:01
Try changing the Diesel serpentine belt and tensioner, A. :(

We've got it down to about an hour if 2 of us do it.

Anyone found the quick way?

Chris

one that used to miff me off was change a battery on a lotus 340 r, had to take the body shell off no joke, about 8 hours. beats me why they dont think a little bit more when building cars....

back to freebys , i have thought on a few ocasions weather to swop one of me disco for one but i would go for the deisel, supose you still have the prob of ird and diff probs but they must be quite a good truck.....alan.

Mogwyth
5th Apr 2008, 23:03
well having driven an honda CRV, a Nisssan X trail, a Freelander and a x type sport estate today, the x type won the heart but fell foul of being used to being higher up in the Picasso and 110, although for a sporty car it had quite good ground clearence better than most other std saloons and estates.

As for the others I am afraid as this has to be a common sense buy for everyday commuting but be able to manage a bit of light off-roading and our lane, so we are getting an x trail, we didn't like the Honda at all and the the Nissan beats the Freelander on the road by a country mile, it handles better, it's more comfortable, it has better acceleration and we prefer the tail gate to the swing door and the nice flat load bay, I could go on all day but the x trail as a car does everything just that little bit better than the Freelander 1 IMO.