Agri-Rovers

[scruffytruck]

does anyone know anywhere i can get any information on the agri-rover (or is it ag-rover?) conversions done a few years back. want to know a little more about them as something similar would be ideal on the plot up my way?

[stretchlandy]

Hi, if you mean the land rover with the tractor tyres, It's called the Roadless 109", and sometimes, the forest rover.

visit www.lr-mad.co.uk/conversions.html (http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/conversions.html) for more.:D

[Phoenix_chris]

I think your talking about the semi portal axle 110s that LR produced a while back... They were supposed to be a cheep answer to the unimog...

As far as i know there were very few produced, The following is only from memory so it may not all be correct, but it should give a basic idea

i think they were all either NA 2.5 s or V8 110 truck cabs, fitted with portal droppers to the landrover axels which were cut about a tad... They were also fitted with a proper PTO take off and tractor style lifting gear, which rested on the rear axle as to hold weight...

By the sound of it they wer called agri-rover, they were an approved modification and werent built by LR at factory....

LR did build its own 110 for testing fitted with portals, but was abandond due to 'handling issues' lol

The Potal 'droppers' or 'stub ends' that were fitted to the axle ends were to the old chain driven type, not spur driven like the volvo C303 or unimog... the chain driven action supposidly gave really bad backlash as the drive was taken up !

[Phoenix_chris]

... also if you get the chance to buy one, BUY IT, there pretty rare i think !:rolleyes:

[Highlander2]

Portal axles are great and certainly the thing that made Unimogs. It just gives you so much more ground clearance.

[si_guru]

I think there is an article about the Agri-Rover in LRM in October's issue.

[stretchlandy]

Ok, my first post was for the wrong vehicle.
I did a little poking around and i've got a bit abut the Ag-Rover on the website now. I'm hoping for more info. on them from one of the designers, Roger Stephenson, soon, as he's already been very helpful.

The AG-Rover stuff is on www.lr-mad.co.uk/conversions.html (http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/conversions.html) too.

[StrangeRover]

Look see........

[scruffytruck]

Thanks very much for all the info - typically i picked up th LRM with the brief article about these just after posting the question, hoever as usual the photos bore no relation to the interesting bits! so the extra info well worth it. If any more comes to light would be very interested.

[Peugeots]

Hi.

Does anybody know - is it possilbe at all to get thes portal droppers ?

[rgstrax]

Attached picture of the original Ag-Rover proto-type 2.5 n/a with linkage mounted pto driven wood chipper. Photographed in Rossendale, Lancashire.

[scruffytruck]

Hi.

Does anybody know - is it possilbe at all to get thes portal droppers ?

i don't believe these are available. i do know Maxi-Drive do a set of drop boxes but @ £6.5k they're flipping expensive, the other option would be volvo c303 or unimog axles. i do know of people who have built their own tho and i'm thinking about seeing if i can find a fabricator who's up for the challenge

[Cocky Lil Guy]

i don't believe these are available. i do know Maxi-Drive do a set of drop boxes but @ £6.5k they're flipping expensive, the other option would be volvo c303 or unimog axles. i do know of people who have built their own tho and i'm thinking about seeing if i can find a fabricator who's up for the challenge

Do you know if you have to shorten the axle then reweld the stubaxle to the end then bolt the drop box on or if you can just use the stub axle where it is?

[scruffytruck]

Do you know if you have to shorten the axle then reweld the stubaxle to the end then bolt the drop box on or if you can just use the stub axle where it is?

don't know for sure but believe they bolt to the end of the stub axle, obviously this widens the track but this has to be good - go higher, go wider. Just need to extend the arches to cover the tyre

[Peugeots]

Well.... thanks for info.... 6,5K is more than my pocket can handle :D Idea of getting ones is dismissed. but still .... how do you think - does this belongs to Agri rover or Maxidrive?
http://www.landserwis.pl/tomcat_19.html

[P00DLE]

that would be the maxdrive setup

has "maxdrive eng" cast on the casing under the swivel.

[DKT]

I remember the guys of gon2far suspension do portal axle setups whith the volvo axles if I remember correct set costs 2500 and easy to fit under leafsprung landrovers. But thats all I know about them! and the internetsite is under construction so....anyway www.con2far.co.uk (http://www.con2far.co.uk) for what its wurth. I know of a project posted on the internet about coilsprung versions, when I come acros it I"l post it.

[MPi-KMS-72]

There was a fellow in Oz that Built his own portal rover type drop boxes form old landy bits. His Name is Bill, sometimes gores as Portal rover, Agrover, And Daddy longlegs on the Outer Limits and Pirate 4*4 boards. If you look him up you can see his build, it is amazing.

Matt Nelson
http://www.jonfund.com/technical/roverportals.shtml Here is a Brit's Series on Volvo C303 axles in case anyone is interested.

[MPi-KMS-72]

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=6428&hl=portal

whoops! should read "Bill's" doh!

[Tommo32]

followed an agri rover this morning through brighouse. 'F' reg, blue. it was amazing.

[Tommo32]

Maxi Drive i think. there are other maxi drve products i can spot there also.

[Barry Cambridge]

Look see........
I am the current owner of the Agrover pictured : E408 XDB and am possibly looking to sell in the near future via auction on Ebay, if anybody is interested please email me. Barry

[sllimbob]

don't know for sure but believe they bolt to the end of the stub axle, obviously this widens the track but this has to be good - go higher, go wider. Just need to extend the arches to cover the tyre
hi ya,have just joined up after coming on here to find out more info on the drop boxes as i am working in china and am looking at having some made here,depending on cost,shipping and quality.have found a company that poss can make them,as they make same sort of thing for diggers.just need to get more info and have some cad drawings done to give to them to price them up.so with a bit of luck could have some on the market soon!

[P00DLE]

hi ya,have just joined up after coming on here to find out more info on the drop boxes as i am working in china and am looking at having some made here,depending on cost,shipping and quality.have found a company that poss can make them,as they make same sort of thing for diggers.just need to get more info and have some cad drawings done to give to them to price them up.so with a bit of luck could have some on the market soon!

all depends on the price and the warranty?

but i may be interested in them for range rover axles.

[daveyf1975]

Thanks very much for all the info - typically i picked up th LRM with the brief article about these just after posting the question, hoever as usual the photos bore no relation to the interesting bits! so the extra info well worth it. If any more comes to light would be very interested.


please let me know what other information or questions you have about the agrovers and i will try to answer them

[extreamlandy90]

please let me know what other information or questions you have about the agrovers and i will try to answer them


Do you have one for sale?? Also anymore pics??

Many thanks Mark

[daveyf1975]

Do you have one for sale?? Also anymore pics??

Many thanks Mark



sorry , dont have one for sale but here are a few more photos

[DOGS&WOLFS]

does anyone know anywhere i can get any information on the agri-rover (or is it ag-rover?) conversions done a few years back. want to know a little more about them as something similar would be ideal on the plot up my way?

I have had two Agrovers one 2.5 N/A (yellow) and one of the last two they made with a tdi engine(green) the other had a burn out,last heard was going to be re built? They had a samwich plate pto system between the the engine and gearbox that ran all the time ( made more noise than the engine)to give power to the rear PTO shaft and the hydraulic three point linkage.The chassis was cut back to the rear springs to get the lifted weight as near to the axle as possible.The chap I sold it to still has it in Wales.They can be registered as a agricultural locomotive,no rfl free from MOT and legal on red diesel.The portal axles were crap with chain problems.The chap that made them did contact me if I find his number I will post it.

[fergie2035]

legal on red diesel.
But only whilst you are engaged in an agricultural operation. With the exception of one machine which I can't recall (road roller or maybe a mowing machine) all other vehicle types are only authorised to use rebated fuel when they are involved in specified types of work, in this case agricultural.

You can't use an agricultural tractor (or a Unimog) as a general runabout and run it (legally) on red. You can't take the children to school with it, you can't drive it to a show etc. etc.

The other vehicle that is of similar type is the Trantor which used Bedford axles and was a kind of three-seat, high speed tractor. I was tempted to bid for one at an auction recently but what I thought I'd be willing to pay was nowhere near the price of it.

What happens to the Agrirover rear springs when you lift a weight on the rear linkage? Or is that what someone meant about it putting the weight directly onto the rear axle?

[daveyf1975]

I tried to get mine registered as an agricultural vehicle but the dvla wouldnt have any of it even though I had a letter from vosa supporting my claim and the vehicle does meet the majority of charicteristics needed to qualify it as an agricultural vehicle.
I have been told that another Ag has been registered as an agricultural vehicle but havnt seen this one in the flesh yet so if it has i'll have another go.
The three piont linkage is attached to a cradle that sits over the sailsbury axle. All the weight is transfered to the wheels for extra traction so you get less wheel slip when ploughing or other types of land work. The brochure says it will lift 750kgs at the ball ends but ive lifted a bit more than that.

[extreamlandy90]

I tried to get mine registered as an agricultural vehicle but the dvla wouldnt have any of it even though I had a letter from vosa supporting my claim and the vehicle does meet the majority of charicteristics needed to qualify it as an agricultural vehicle.
I have been told that another Ag has been registered as an agricultural vehicle but havnt seen this one in the flesh yet so if it has i'll have another go.

Davey, will you sell your Ag-rover?? If so can you please pm me your details and I'll contact you!!

Many thanks Mark

[daveyf1975]

sorry, the ag is not for sale and never will be. It took me 12 years to get my hands on this one.
There is, apparently, one close ( ish ) to you near Lincoln but I havnt managed to track it down.... yet !!!!!!.
I am on the look out for a Roadless Traction land rover or an International Harvester 1455XL tractor.

[Oilworker]

Now that´s a surprise. I never expected any Agri Rovers to be still around.
How many are there? From readin g this thread there must still be at least 3 or 4 on the roads?

Regarding protal drop boxes.
I have found someone last year who really was interested developing bolt-on boxes for my Defender and after a years work we´re currently fitting them to my Defender´s axles....


More to come if you´re interested

[P00DLE]

Now that´s a surprise. I never expected any Agri Rovers to be still around.
How many are there? From readin g this thread there must still be at least 3 or 4 on the roads?

Regarding protal drop boxes.
I have found someone last year who really was interested developing bolt-on boxes for my Defender and after a years work we´re currently fitting them to my Defender´s axles....





















More to come if you´re interested


I likes the look of that if the price is right i could be tempted? do you have an idea of costs for full kit yet?

[Oilworker]

Sort of, but before I say anything that get´s me into trouble why not drop the guys at www.Killeraxles.com a line.

wolfgang(at)tibus-offroad.com

Don´t distract them too much though as I can´t wait to have my truck in the mud again :-)

So long,

Robert


Oh, would you mind telling me what I have to change in my post to have a thumbnail of my images shown?

[P00DLE]

Sort of, but before I say anything that get´s me into trouble why not drop the guys at www.Killeraxles.com a line.

wolfgang(at)tibus-offroad.com

Don´t distract them too much though as I can´t wait to have my truck in the mud again :-)

So long,

Robert


Oh, would you mind telling me what I have to change in my post to have a thumbnail of my images shown?

when you rpely select advanced and manage attachments.

I have stuck them on for you hope you dont mind. Email has been sent to them now eagerly awaiting reply.

[P00DLE]

got a price and its a bit too rich for me. at almost £7,000 up to 3 i would have put serious thought into it but that is too much to contemplate.

[Jon_SP]

got a price and its a bit too rich for me. at almost £7,000 up to 3 i would have put serious thought into it but that is too much to contemplate.

:yikes: I expected 4 figures, but that's just a joke, for the cost of that kit, plus the landy your better off just getting a pinz or a mog...

Fantastically engineered piece of kit though, no doubting that, big thumbs up to them for doing it.

[MPi-KMS-72]

Wow! that is ~$11,300.00 is that the complete axles or just the drop boxes?

[biosbill]

They do look really very impressive. Well engineered as above!

But, for that price, im sorry, but id just put it towards a Pinz/Mog. I think the ultimate capability off road probably doesnt come in the form of a land rover, something that will do much of it, carry gear and you can live with it...yes a land rover, but for ultimate mental off road...I think pinz wins hands down, if I had the money id have one of those and my series!

William

[Oilworker]

It should be the 4 drop boxes with brakes, etc.
And you can go much faster with these on road than with a Pinzgauer.

[Oilworker]

:yikes: I expected 4 figures, but that's just a joke, for the cost of that kit, plus the landy your better off just getting a pinz or a mog...

Fantastically engineered piece of kit though, no doubting that, big thumbs up to them for doing it.

Considering that a set of Volvo C303 axles is currently at 4500 Euro (if you find any in the right gearing) and that you then have to convert them to coil springs and disk brakes which will take about 100 hrs of worktime plus brakes and material, or that Maxi Drive Portals were last priced at 9800 Euro a set...this ain´t bad.
Other companies out there building or offering portals for Land Rovers ask up to 26800 US$ for 2 axles....

[biosbill]

It should be the 4 drop boxes with brakes, etc.
And you can go much faster with these on road than with a Pinzgauer.


Thats a good point actually!

William

[Jon_SP]

...And you can go much faster with these on road than with a Pinzgauer.

Wouldn't disagree with that, however if you are into serious RTV's/challenges etc and will see the advantages of these, the chances are it's a second, maybe a third vehicle so 7K to spend (on a toy basically) on a less than 5K landy (inc all gear) is alot of cash for anyone. Especially when for 15K you get a decent mog or pinz and have a fantastic off road vehicle, that although slower on road will debatably be better than the landy anyway (and a darn sight more reliable)... Yes I'm prepared to get a flaming for that, but they are true monsters in the rough stuff.

However this is coming from someone who only has one car, a 25 y/o 90 that covers 10-15k a year, 85% on road so although I appreciate the engineering and think it's a fantastic bit of kit I doubt I'd ever need or see the benefits from having portals, especially at 7k, it's amazingly steep and nearly 4x the value of my 90 at the current prices.

Would love to have a look over the kit fitted though and look at the differences and see the whole thing in action on and off the road compared to a standard truck, that would be brilliant.


Considering that a set of Volvo C303 axles is currently at 4500 Euro (if you find any in the right gearing) and that you then have to convert them to coil springs and disk brakes which will take about 100 hrs of worktime plus brakes and material, or that Maxi Drive Portals were last priced at 9800 Euro a set...this ain´t bad.
Other companies out there building or offering portals for Land Rovers ask up to 26800 US$ for 2 axles....

Very fair point, would probably be alot of interest in the states for these, especially when looking at some of the crazy axles have been "designed" over there to try and do the same thing. The couple I've seen/research have been very silly money aswell, but this is also coming from someone who's just lost their full time job and at Uni.

[MPi-KMS-72]

What size tire are you going to use with these? What ill be your overall clearance under the pumpkin when done?

Very cool- way out of my price range though! That would take me more than 1/2 way to the C303 I have been looking to buy! ;)

[Oilworker]

I am going to run 35" Cooper STTs on Hutchinson doube bead lock wheels (Mercedes G).
The clearance under the diff will be increased by 4.9" (12.5cm) just by the portals.
It will be much more comfortable to work under the car then :-)

Where have you found that C303? A friend of mine is a dealer of these and other great Volvo trucks and he somehow finds some really rare ones every now and then, too. If you like?

[Oilworker]

Here are the Hutchinso wheels on the prototype drop box...





One other thing, that is visible on the second image above, is that the wheel is almost covering all of the portal and by doing so protects it perfectly.

On other aftermarket/homemade portals there is a lot more material sticking out, which may be no big deal when mounting 40" tyres and using them for rock crawling, but it´s a whole different story if you go into the mud.

[MPi-KMS-72]

STT's are nice tires. I like 35" tires, I hope to fit a set to my 109 when I get around to re-building it.

The last Volvo C303 I was looking at was at a military vehicle dealer here in the States, it was ~$17,000. I have tried to get my relatives in Sweden to look for some for me but really haven't had the $ to pursue it very seriously. IF I found the right truck I could probably find the $ for it though.

[MPi-KMS-72]

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/drivetrain/131_0908_axletech_bolt_on_portal_axles_dana_60_14_ bolt/index.html

those are axletech's bolt ons- I was reading baout them last year. For what i do though I do not think portals make much sense unless they come WITH the vehicle. Adapting them to my LR's for what I do probabbly wouldn't offer much for me $ for $. If you are taking overland expeditions in Russia like you mentioned on Expedition Portal they probably make much more sense. In any case if you have the $ why not? :D

[daveyf1975]

as far as i can work out, using the info i have, there are 3 AG-Rovers taxed for the road. there was a set of AG-Rover drop boxes and half shafts on ebay a couple of months ago which went for around £450. these units came from the ex Kingston-Upon Thames AG. The price of the original portal conversion on the AG's back in the mid 80's was around £2500 + vat