Morocco

[toppa]

Hey peeps.

Planning a trip there next year, was just after any advice form those of you that have been?

HOw much cash doid you take? (without being personal)

What does diesel cost over there and how avilable is it??

WIll be orginising this ourselves, not to keen on going on a orginised tour..

ANy advice/input/ideas more than welcome....


Cheers

[Newsreader]

ANy advice/input/ideas more than welcome....

Invite Dave H along ... :D

[toppa]

Invite Dave H along ... :D

Now that had already crossed my mind :D Think he and Mrs H would enjoy it, but he has this thing about foriegn holidays.....


CHeers

[Newsreader]

Now that had already crossed my mind :D Think he and Mrs H would enjoy it, but he has this thing about foriegn holidays.....


CHeers
He obviously had that excuse worked out in advance ;)

[toppa]

He obviously had that excuse worked out in advance ;)

:D

BUt he loves me visiting, i only have to knock on the door for 20 mins before the curtains open now!! And the welcoming smile dosnt look as forced as it used too....



Cheers

[Newsreader]

:D

BUt he loves me visiting, i only have to knock on the door for 20 mins before the curtains open now!! And the welcoming smile dosnt look as forced as it used too....

:rotfl: But does he still come to the door holding a gun? :D

[toppa]

:rotfl: But does he still come to the door holding a gun? :D

The house literally across the road form him is up for rent mmmmmmmmm


:D

CHeers

[Madoobri]

:rotfl: But does he still come to the door holding a gun? :D
No ... it`s a socket set these days!! ;)

[toppa]

No ... it`s a socket set these days!! ;)

But i do notice occasionally that Mrs H has a 12 gauge at the ready just in case i try to come in :D



Cheers

[red]

how long are you thinking on being out there for toppa ?

[toppa]

Not too sure yet, trying to get an idea of time it take between places, i would alow four weeks though i think, maybe.. trying to get my head around the distences...

You and Mrs Red thinking about it???


Cheers

[red]

i will pass the thought on and see what sort of reaction i get ;)

[toppa]

i will pass the thought on and see what sort of reaction i get ;)

LOad some images of morocco, tell her it will be a second honey moon, only in a land rover :D



CHeers

[red]

her eyes lite up when i asked her :D

its all down to how much and when m8 ;)

[Dave-H]

Invite Dave H along ... :D

No
I love my country and have no intention of visiting foreign shores.

Did that when i had no choice - at least then i had the option to shoot a few! :eek:

[AJC]

Here's an 06 thread (http://www.landrovernet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53374&highlight=morons) Luke with links to others in it (including mine;) )

Can't remember exact fuel costs but cheaper than Spain but not as cheap as Gibraltar.:rolleyes:

Only money you need is for food, fuel, tips and bribes. Ferries are the greatest expense.

AJ

[Devon-Rover]

You know you wana go. Trust me you will enjoy it. I did!



A quick piccy below VVVVVVV Taken up in the high atlas mountains. just to whet your whistle

[toppa]

her eyes lite up when i asked her :D

its all down to how much and when m8 ;)

Thinking around this time of year.. AJ has posted a link to threads talking about it, off to have a looksy.......

Cost as yet unknown, trying to get an idea form others....


CHeers

[ROB 110 HICAP]

Go Toppa you'll love it. Diesel is similar to Europe, but is tax free when you buy it in Ceuta (Spanish Morroco enclave).

[Devon-Rover]

And esp when you can drive for a 2 days without touching tarmac. and esp with views like this!

[toppa]

Ooooh im keen alright, have a year to orginise..... trawliung the net for info etc at the moment....


Cheers

[ROB 110 HICAP]

Michelin 959 map (I think) is good for navigating, but u can better ones. I have some of the Atlas if you want better detail nearer the time. Or buy your own fron Stanfords in CoventGarden or the Map Shop, Upton-upon-Severn. google/yell.com will find contact details.

Do you want a stowaway Toppa?!;)

[toppa]

Michelin 959 map (I think) is good for navigating, but u can better ones. I have some of the Atlas if you want better detail nearer the time. Or buy your own fron Stanfords in CoventGarden or the Map Shop, Upton-upon-Severn. google/yell.com will find contact details.

Do you want a stowaway Toppa?!;)

Already have map 959 pinned to my wall, woth scratchings all over it :D


MMMm stowaway, where to hid something that is 6'6' ish............

tiied to the chassis rail.....


CHeers

[AJC]

-------Thread Resurrection-------

Conkers raised the subject of this Morocco trip last weekend. However, it didn't get discussed too much. Sooooooo, what's happening guys?

I'm not 100% on it just yet but I've been given a 'green light' from Mrs AJ to attend alone :D (she's got no hols left after summer) and I've got additional leave to cover a decent trip. The only problem for me would be securing certain dates but October I believe is the best time.

Back to you Toppa. :rolleyes:

AJ

[Abu]

mmmmmmmm

[Cannonball Bob]

And esp when you can drive for a 2 days without touching tarmac.

Only two days off the black stuff?:confused:

[AJC]

And esp when you can drive for a 2 days without touching tarmac.Only two days off the black stuff?:confused:
Bob,

Driving on donkey tracks alongside the road doesn't count. ;)

AJ

[ROB 110 HICAP]

Only two days off the black stuff?:confused:

I think he meant 2 days off road between tarmac. IIRC theres a long piste from the dunes at Merzouga to Zagora that is a leisurely 2 days or speedy long day. Depending on where you go and how far the tarmac has spread you can spend much of the time offroad. The trips I did in 95/96 were about 1000miles total in Morroco and about half offroad.

[adrianandkate]

-------Thread Resurrection-------

Conkers raised the subject of this Morocco trip last weekend. However, it didn't get discussed too much. Sooooooo, what's happening guys?

I'm not 100% on it just yet but I've been given a 'green light' from Mrs AJ to attend alone :D (she's got no hols left after summer) and I've got additional leave to cover a decent trip. The only problem for me would be securing certain dates but October I believe is the best time.

Back to you Toppa. :rolleyes:

AJ


We'd be up for it. It's a bit nearer than a treasure hunt in Wales. :)

[Cannonball Bob]

I think he meant 2 days off road between tarmac.
I know! My comment still stands, only two days?

[toppa]

Aj, im keen, havnt spoken to ocnkers since the weekend, but i see he is on line again,

October would work for me, give me time to raise the funds etc...

What sort of time period we looking at???


Cheers

[AJC]

We'd be up for it. It's a bit nearer than a treasure hunt in Wales. :)Where are you Toppa? I think this may warrant a new thread in 'Events Around the World'. See if we can get a decent sized group together.

AJ

[AJC]

Aj, im keen, havnt spoken to ocnkers since the weekend, but i see he is on line again,

October would work for me, give me time to raise the funds etc...

What sort of time period we looking at???


CheersThere you are. :rolleyes:

2 weeks including weekends either side plus possibly a day or two more depending on ferry times. 17 - 19 days. I could stretch to 3 weeks but you can do a decent trip in 17 - 19 days.

AJ

[toppa]

Where are you Toppa? I think this may warrant a new thread in 'Events Around the World'. See if we can get a decent sized group together.

AJ

Here i am.........

You gonna start a new thead, or you want me to do it???


Cheers

[toppa]

There you are. :rolleyes:

2 weeks including weekends either side plus possibly a day or two more depending on ferry times. 17 - 19 days. I could stretch to 3 weeks but you can do a decent trip in 17 - 19 days.

AJ


Couple of weeks would be perfect, also suit dorris, so save me running for the border in the night befor she wakes and relises im gone :D


Cheers

[AJC]

You gonna start a new thead, or you want me to do it???Crack on Luke. Your lead. ;)

AJ

[toppa]

Nobber was keen as well, it was him that got the idea firmly in my head!!


Wonder where he is....


Cheers

[AJC]

Wonder where he is....Reading the thread now. ;)

AJ

[adafish]

DO you need any chefs...fancy the trip meself...

[toppa]

DO you need any chefs...fancy the trip meself...

You would be more than welcome Ada, as would all the non blondes, a trained instructor along, could remove all the recovery gear, as there would be no need for it :D

A&K we will keep you posted, would be great to include some of the non UK members...


Cheers

[adrianandkate]

So where's the new thread topps?

[JonathonMarshall]

So where's the new thread topps?
Dont think they've decided who's going first, very curtious people on here you see;):D Now this is something I'd love to do, I've been following events such as yours, Lon Cap (http://www.lon-cap.com/) which has recently concluded and of course Lone Wolf Transglobal. (http://www.lonewolftransglobal.com/LoneWolf.htm)I've got links to a few other expedition sites I've come across if you'd like them posted people:)

[AJC]

Dont think they've decided who's going first, very curtious people on here you see;):D Now this is something I'd love to do, I've been following events such as yours, Lon Cap (http://www.lon-cap.com/) which has recently concluded and of course Lone Wolf Transglobal. (http://www.lonewolftransglobal.com/LoneWolf.htm)I've got links to a few other expedition sites I've come across if you'd like them posted people:)If you're into exped links, try these (http://www.xs4all.nl/~rabbit/MENO/bookmark/Database/OverlandSection.htm) out.

AJ

[ButtonMonkey]

Me and Virve are up for it and I promise to get the snooring under control by then :o :D

[Cannonball Bob]

Depending on when this is I might be interested.

[Dave-H]

Me and Virve are up for it and I promise to get the snooring under control by then :o :D


That'll be the day :p

[ButtonMonkey]

That'll be the day :p

After telling Virve about Toppa having to move to his truck to sleep she's booked me an appointment at the Nuffield Hospital in Woking.

Failing that shes just going ot cut my head off, that should stop it. :eek:

[AJC]

After telling Virve about Toppa having to move to his truck to sleep she's booked me an appointment at the Nuffield Hospital in Woking.So you didn't hear about the other 20 campers that moved into a hotel in Rhayader Tim? :D It was bad.

Essential part of campsite kit - sponge ear defenders. ;)

AJ

[ButtonMonkey]

So you didn't hear about the other 20 campers that moved into a hotel in Rhayader Tim? :D It was bad.

Essential part of campsite kit - sponge ear defenders. ;)

AJ

So that's whay that caravan left so early on Saturday.

I should have done this before, but apologies to all that put up with my nocturnal immitation of 5 jack hammers being used at once.

I really hadn't realised how bad I was, Virve is either deaf or a complete saint for putting up with it this long and not mentioning it.

[conkers]

Hello chaps sorry for not getting into this earlier had a few other things on my mind like marshmellows taped to my fingers.
I'm still well up for it and thinking about what the truck will need in preparation, first thing on my list is treads any suggestions? I see ATs are probably the way to go.
looking forward to this.

[Snagger]

It's something I have only vaguely thought about. I have had more specific intentions of a family exped (with the two kids) around Scandinavia and Iberia, but haven't seriously considered Morocco because of the time it would take to get there and back in addition to the exped itself, but <20days is quicker than I expected. Having built the 109 to a semi-exped spec (a compromise between a family day-to-day vehicle and an exped vehicle), it would be n ice to use its capabilities.

How do you get there? Do you drive all the way and get a short crossing across the Straights of Gibraltar, or do you get a long ferry from somewhere? What are the typical costs?

[DerbysRed]

The trip to Morocco sounds very tempting.....when are you thinking of going?

Might struggle to do the whole trip as i dont think i'll have the annual leave left but could do some of the Northern routes and then 'do one' after a week or so....:rolleyes:

[JonathonMarshall]

ooo ta very much AJ that looks like t'internet 'll be getting a bit of hammer, damn working tonite and tomorrow:(:D ah well future reference...and i'll start to follow this as well...good luck all oh and another thing while we are (or were:rolleyes:) on the subject of snoring, my dad used to stop breathin as a result of his so he went to the hospital and ended up with this CPAP machine which is basically just providing constant flow of air just taken from the atmosphere not canisters or anything, just plug it in and he lives and everyone else sleeps:):D

[nobber]

Nobber was keen as well, it was him that got the idea firmly in my head!!


Wonder where he is....


Cheers

just noticed this last night , topps i might have to back out fella , Ive had to put my college coarse back a year cos i couldn't complete it doing my pipe fitting job , its just not plumbing , also the 90 took forever to complete and proper drained our resources.
Ive got a plumbing job now down in tonbridge wells and its a good long run of work so i need to re-start my college course.
i really wish i could juggle it though.
if you want to wait a bit longer though ms nobber and my self have been thinking about driving down to Timbuktu when I'm no longer a trainee , wont be until the end of next year though...

[Abu]

I would be interested if ya'll have me:o Depends on dates though:)

regards
Adam

[toppa]

:eek:

There will be no one left on line at this rate!!!


Snagger, Aj is the man to talk to about costs, he has done several independant trips already, but i think around the 2k-2.5k mark, wiht ALOTT of this been ferries.

Two option, either catch the ferry into spain, short drive and another ferry, or catvh the ferry into france and a long drive followed by short ferry..

If thinking the france route, have to remmeber that it is a long drive form there and the cost of diesel and wear and tear on the vehicles..

Cheers

[Gas Gas Ohlins]

http://lexicorient.com/morocco/z_distances.htm

This site has distances which will help with some guess work.

If you click on the virtual map on the top left hand side you`ll be able to click on various towns and villages and get a whole speel of info on them...written like a lonely planet guide...informative and to the point

My buddy arrived in Ceuta and stated its cheaper with less hassle from the locals in Tangiers...

Also Michelin 742 map for info.

:)

[JonathonMarshall]

just a hopefully logical opinion but the 1st option would probably prolong the trip given that the vehicles would be more likely to complete the exped.:rolleyes: Just a thought, seems little sacrifice to save the vehicle and, with respect to france, the driving would be 'better' i.e. what your after in, morroco would it not, i feel like i may have just repeated toppa but it were worth a shot:rolleyes::)

[AJC]

Plymouth to Santander 24 hrs(ish) Brittany Ferries
Portsmouth to Bilbao 36 hrs(ish) P&O Ferries

Long drive through Spain. Overnight stop in southern Spain and following morning catch ferry to Tangiers or Ceuta from Algeciras (couple of hrs depending on ferry).

Ferries, Fuel, food, green card, campsites and even a posh hotel or two wil be covered easily by £1500 (2 people, 1 vehicle (overheight) no trailer.

AJ

[Cannonball Bob]

We went Portsmouth - Bilbao (arond £600), then got as far as Granada at the end of our first day and on to Algerciras the next day. We didn't break our necks, but nor did we hang around.
That said, I think two weeks all in might be a little hectic and of that two weeks a week of it would be spent getting to and from UK.

[AJC]

We went Portsmouth - Bilbao (arond £600), then got as far as Granada at the end of our first day and on to Algerciras the next day. We didn't break our necks, but nor did we hang around.
That said, I think two weeks all in might be a little hectic and of that two weeks a week of it would be spent getting to and from UK.In order to benefit the most of a two week period whilst considering the ferries, it will be 17 - 19 days altogether. Hectic? Oh yes. :D Still managed a couple of rest days.

AJ

[Roger Whittle]

Very late into the thread - as usual (I have to say it before anyone else does) - but don't forget the suggestion Marc Lurie made for 2012.

He suggested slotting some of our Landies into a 40ft ISO and shipping it to somewhere reasonably honest on the West coast of Africa. Marc and Brigid, with possibly Kevin (K&S) and a couple of the other SA forumeers, would drive up to meet us, then guide us, 3500Km off road, back down to Johannesburg where the plan was to watch one World Cup football match, recrate the Landies and fly home.

How about them apples for a long term plan?

Roger.

[conkers]

Long drive through Spain. Overnight stop in southern Spain and following morning catch ferry to Tangiers or Ceuta from Algeciras (couple of hrs depending on ferry).

AJ

What speeds did you do through Spain? I can get the truck up to 60-65 ish (on the flat :o ) if your going 70+ i'll likely have to go a day ahead. It all sounds good apart from the posh hotels I doubt they'll let me in :D

[AJC]

What speeds did you do through Spain? I can get the truck up to 60-65 ish (on the flat :o ) if your going 70+ i'll likely have to go a day ahead. It all sounds good apart from the posh hotels I doubt they'll let me in :DMore than 65 Conkers. Cruising at 65 is nowt an early start and late finish won't sort out. ;)

Rough camping is more preferable than hotels.

AJ

[Cannonball Bob]

Rough camping is more preferable than hotels.

Bloody hell! The Navy insist you keep that up even when on leave do they? :(





;)

[AJC]

Bloody hell! The Navy insist you keep that up even when on leave do they? :(





;)Just sticking to what I'm used to Bob. :D

Hey, our accomm has improved a hell of a lot over the last few years although we still often get the visiting crab whingers complaining their bed space is smaller than what they're entitled to. :rolleyes: The permanent RAF lads seem quite happy though.


AJ

[JonathonMarshall]

Very late into the thread - as usual (I have to say it before anyone else does) - but don't forget the suggestion Marc Lurie made for 2012.

He suggested slotting some of our Landies into a 40ft ISO and shipping it to somewhere reasonably honest on the West coast of Africa. Marc and Brigid, with possibly Kevin (K&S) and a couple of the other SA forumeers, would drive up to meet us, then guide us, 3500Km off road, back down to Johannesburg where the plan was to watch one World Cup football match, recrate the Landies and fly home.

How about them apples for a long term plan?

Roger.
'least i might have a hope in hell of joining ya then, once life has settled down with regards to getting a career sorted:) hmmm sounds like a plan and this can be something of a warm up for those going this time around;) take it we still haven't got many definites yet no?

[alex]

I would be interested if ya'll have me:o Depends on dates though:)

regards
Adam

Of COURSE they`ll all have you..........provided you don`t say a word to anyone:D


Alex

[toppa]

So there is some interest in this then?

Need to get a new map as i gave mine to someone, Need to plan a route, some of us have been several times, so would be good to find out where they want to go that is new..

As AJ said, for the UK members wouldd be good to dash through spain and get into morocco as soon as poss to have more time there.

Posh hotels, dont mind one maybe two for a night each but camping is fine with me......

How to get around lots of names and no one showing up.

I think, make a plan, and make a date to book the ferry, if you aint booked the ferry by that date, you aint keen and we will assume you will be a no show.

Myself and Dorris are keen.

Pace would be as fast as the slowest truck..

Do you think we should elect an overall leader??

any ideas/input????


Cheers

[ROB 110 HICAP]

If I were you ( I can't come:() I'd set up a poll for dates and go from there. That'll sort out men from boys. I don't think you need a leader but you should thrash out an itinery. On the Morroco trips I did, 2 groups (10 bikes) always occured naturally, one was faster and stopped less and one took a more leisurely pace (guess which I was in;)), but we always met up at the end of the day. You all need to be flexible and forgiving, some people seemed to be very stressed by Morroco when I went.

I have some 1:200,000 maps of the middle Atlas you could copy. The Map shop in Upton-on-Severn (google) has these and others too.

Good luck you lucky lucky b*ggers! Maybe I'll join you next trip

[toppa]

Rob, didnt want to get involved with polls, there was a core group that decided to go, so dates would be set by what time leave can be taken by one member in particular, otherwise it turns into a fiasco... As its two weeks and not a weekend like the treausre hunt, i can really see no date ever been decided on by a poll...


We'll think of you and your bike when we are there :D


Cheers

[ButtonMonkey]

Myself and Dorris are keen.

Pace would be as fast as the slowest truck..

Do you think we should elect an overall leader??

any ideas/input????


Cheers

Toppa, I think you should take the lead and appoint a couple of second in commands to help with the organisation of route etc.

Tim

[jonnyboy]

I went to morocco in October 2003 in my 88" diesel. Went the ferry to Spain route, the Plymouth to Santander ferry is the quickest. Spent 2 days travelling down to Algerciras, I know people who have done it in 1 day put I could only manage 60mph. Early ferry across to Ceuta and then 12 days in Morocco. Did the Volubilis, Todra route down to Merzouga and into the Erg Chebi dunes. The return leg was up to Fez and back to Ceuta.

If I was to do it again (and I intend to soon) I would take at least 3 weeks. I did a mixture of camping and some small hotel/hostels we came across on route and would probably not change that.

I just look at it as a long camping trip and I dont think anything special is needed for this kind of trip. If your vehicle is in good nick then a few basic spares and tools are all that you need. Over 4000+ mile on my trip the only thing that went wrong was the fan belt snapped on the first day in Morocco. I had intended to change it before I left but had never got around to it.

Its one of those trips that everyone should do at least once.

Jon

[JonathonMarshall]

I went to morocco in October 2003 in my 88" diesel. Went the ferry to Spain route, the Plymouth to Santander ferry is the quickest. Spent 2 days travelling down to Algerciras, I know people who have done it in 1 day put I could only manage 60mph. Early ferry across to Ceuta and then 12 days in Morocco. Did the Volubilis, Todra route down to Merzouga and into the Erg Chebi dunes. The return leg was up to Fez and back to Ceuta.

If I was to do it again (and I intend to soon) I would take at least 3 weeks. I did a mixture of camping and some small hotel/hostels we came across on route and would probably not change that.

I just look at it as a long camping trip and I dont think anything special is needed for this kind of trip. If your vehicle is in good nick then a few basic spares and tools are all that you need. Over 4000+ mile on my trip the only thing that went wrong was the fan belt snapped on the first day in Morocco. I had intended to change it before I left but had never got around to it.

Its one of those trips that everyone should do at least once.

Jon
Is there a thread about you and the series' trip on here somewhere perhaps??:)

[jonnyboy]

Is there a thread about you and the series' trip on here somewhere perhaps??

There might well be!

Jon

[JonathonMarshall]

There might well be!

Jon
Not that I can find, just the threads regarding your desperate hunt for an engine and other bits and bobs thread wise:rolleyes: ah well, would've made interesting reading as well!:)

[jonnyboy]

Must have been another forum :rolleyes:

I did a write up on one but for the life of me I cant remember which one.

Jon

[JonathonMarshall]

Must have been another forum :rolleyes:

I did a write up on one but for the life of me I cant remember which one.

Jon
It wasn't... :outlaw:Landyzone:(:(:(:o:owas it??

[Ben_J85JTY]

Well here is my (very Late) 2 pence worth.

We went with the LRO club last October and went for 17 days.

We took the ferry from Portsmouth to Bilbao which they got at a discounted rate as they were a big group (which by the look of this thread it would be) The ferry was ok on the way out but a real drag on the way back.

We drove to Algercieras in one day, infact our whole group did. I ended up with an knackered 110 as a running partner who managed to squeeze 60 out of it for most of the way. It is a long day but if I had the choice I owuld do the same again. We stayed in a campsite about 1hr from the port and had a days rest there before heading to Ceuta

Once in Morocco we were putting in High mileage each day, Visiting some very nice places. we stayed in Meknes, Zagora, Todra Gorge, (not in that order) and all had fine campsites.

We ended up in the desert and spent only one and a half days there which was dissapointing, I would have prefered to spend more time in the dunes than on the corigations!.

We finished off with 2 nights in Fez then home.

I would suggest a one way ferry ticket and then road trip it back.

[P00DLE]

Very late into the thread - as usual (I have to say it before anyone else does) - but don't forget the suggestion Marc Lurie made for 2012.

He suggested slotting some of our Landies into a 40ft ISO and shipping it to somewhere reasonably honest on the West coast of Africa. Marc and Brigid, with possibly Kevin (K&S) and a couple of the other SA forumeers, would drive up to meet us, then guide us, 3500Km off road, back down to Johannesburg where the plan was to watch one World Cup football match, recrate the Landies and fly home.

How about them apples for a long term plan?

Roger.

dont really like football but im sure i could be tempted with 5 years to plan and finance the operation. would a classic range rover be suitable as transport. any idea of the sort of costs and timeframe involved Roger?

[adafish]

one of me customers in the market ( butcher) has just come back from 3weeks there. He went on his Dirt Bike thingy, and said it wasa fantastic trip.Thet rode on 1 off-road part of the journey that was 72miles long:eek: ...GOTTA DO IT , GOTTA DO IT..:)

[toppa]

one of me customers in the market ( butcher) has just come back from 3weeks there. He went on his Dirt Bike thingy, and said it wasa fantastic trip.Thet rode on 1 off-road part of the journey that was 72miles long:eek: ...GOTTA DO IT , GOTTA DO IT..:)

October Ada, October :rolleyes:


Cheers

[ROB 110 HICAP]

one of me customers in the market ( butcher) has just come back from 3weeks there. He went on his Dirt Bike thingy, and said it wasa fantastic trip.Thet rode on 1 off-road part of the journey that was 72miles long:eek: ...GOTTA DO IT , GOTTA DO IT..:)

Rissani/Merzougga to Mhamid is the longest stretch, maybe 100+ miles offroad. Zagora to Foum Zguid (across Lake Iriki) is about 70miles offraod. Plenty of other longuns thru the mountains.