fishing begginers

[biggmark]

right all the anglers out there,my 2 boys and myself are taking up fishing (last time i fished was about 27yrs ago)got rods ,reels,some hooks,cpl floats some shot weights, what i need to know is what else do we need for tackle box??,bloody fishing shop confused me too much stuff lol

[shadyadie]

I have just started
I have a licence
5m pole telescopic
some rigs (float and hook in one )
a disgorger (never go without it)
a seat
a net
bait (maggots)
beer
pie's
coat

Thats about it really, last time I caught 3 reasonable carp and loads and loads of Rudd etc..

[Marc Lurie]

I could give you loads of advice, but I don't think that

"Make sure there are no hippos in the pool you're fishing"

"When you've caught fish, be carefull if you keep them alive in a keep net because their splashing attracts crocodiles"

"Never put your fingers into a baracuda's mouth, even if it's dead"

"Bacon is excellent bait for Tiger Fish" etc....

would mean much to you. ;)

I wish I could help, but fishing in the UK is so totally different from fishing over here that I know absolutely nothing about it. There is one universal rule of fishing though: NEVER RUN OUT OF BEER! :beers:

[biggmark]

ahh beer sorted even got the cool box with things that go in freezer lol
think i`ll leave the exotic stuff to u African fishermen lol
dont need a licence as such can get day permits,think i`ll take boys to local loch they got a shop there so if we`re short not far to go.........oh how do u use maggots???

[jack]

biggmark
you will need a rod licence for you,you might also need one for the boys depending on there ages.

[biggmark]

rod licence is that not just for England?
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/399730/?lang=_e
just found this seems England Wales and rivers leading into Scotland require a rod licence so should be ok up here lol

[tycroes48]

You`ve got some excellent seafishing up in Scotland. Why don`t you give it a go at least you can eat what you catch.

[toppa]

mmm first fuel the boat and check the weather..

if your going for shark, steel tracer is good, saves their teeth cutting the nylon, make sure the esky is FULL of beer, if chasing marlon for tag and release make sure you have your tags and scales...

mm sorry thinking of home, here is have no idea as carp fishing is popular...

Cheers

[Unimexsol]

I don't think that you do need a licence to fish in Scotland unless you are fishing the River Tweed or it's tributaries but check just in case.

I highly recommend this forum http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/forums/ it's full of friendly people from all over this and other countries and I've found it a brilliant place to get advice.

Tight lines and I hope that you and your boys enjoy it!

[mike k]

I used to coarse fish years ago, but now I've taken up beach casting since moving to the coast, there's no rod license needed for sea fishing (yet)...
I hope to get out in boat with a some mates a few times this year too.

As far as equipment goes I've only got the basics, that'll keep me amused until a get the feel for it and begin to know what I'm doing :)

[P00DLE]

for sea fishing you need

line generally 15 - 18lb
shockleader 40 - 80lb also used for trace bodies
wieghts ranging from 3 - 6oz
small and med swivels
beads
hooks size 2/0 covers most needs
snaplinks
a pair of forceps for getting hooks out

and obviously a rod and reel i ahve 3 beachcasters from 12 - 14 foot
4 multiplier reels
2 spinning rods and other assorted gear.

the contents of my box are prob worth about £650 but this has been built up over 10 years or so, you can get a reasonable rod reel and all starter gear needed for well under £100

[shadyadie]

been beachcasting 3 or 4 times so far and not had a bite yet.

I am using a beachcaster with a 5 oz weight and artificial sandeel

have caught loads of seaweed I was wondering if I need deeper water

never done this before. once cast how long roughly would you leave it before reeling in and casting again?

[P00DLE]

been beachcasting 3 or 4 times so far and not had a bite yet.

I am using a beachcaster with a 5 oz weight and artificial sandeel

have caught loads of seaweed I was wondering if I need deeper water

never done this before. once cast how long roughly would you leave it before reeling in and casting again?

for god sake use real bait most angling shops will sellit.

distance is irrelivant as long as you find water of a reasonable depth anything over 10 foot should be fine, i cast approx 100 - 150 yds while WEEDY can throw a 5oz lead up to 250 yds if in the right mood. we usually leave the rig in the water upto 30 mins before winding in you should be able to tell if you have a bite by watching the line unlike course fishing you dont run slack line in a beach rig.

if in doubt ask locals or ask at your local tackle shop.

the year before last we were fishing twice a week for nearly 6 months and didnt catch a damn thing thats approx 200 hours give or take. last sunday the four of us caught between 3 and 10 fish each in a few hours.

[shadyadie]

There are no tackle shops here.

I have also tried some black lug seasticks as well.

[P00DLE]

find some local fishermen and ask them where they get there bait etc from.

for tackle try onlie at either

www.gerrysfishing.com of the glasgow angling centre.

[P00DLE]

for bait you can use most things but the best baits i have used are.

peeler crab,
squid frozen or fresh
mackeral frozen or fresh
sandeel normally frozen
razorfish fresh or frozen
lugworm fresh
ragworm fresh

if using fish as bait make the strips no bigger than about 1 inch by 3 inch cut from a fillet

[Tazitam]

right all the anglers out there,my 2 boys and myself are taking up fishing (last time i fished was about 27yrs ago)got rods ,reels,some hooks,cpl floats some shot weights, what i need to know is what else do we need for tackle box??,bloody fishing shop confused me too much stuff lolHi Mark ,try this link to trout lochs near you,,http://www.trout-salmon-fishing.com/scotland-greenock.htm ,, also you could try Loch Lomond just over the water where the Leven starts you could fish for perch and other course fish, I dont think you would get any bother from the water baliffs,,there is no need for a rod licence in Scotland,and no need for a permit as long as you are fishing for course fish,,if you really want to scare the crap out of the kids try pike fishing,it's free and lots of fun,,with teeth!!!

[Backs4more]

A few pointers... :)

No rod licence needed in Scotland

You DO need permission to fish for coarse fish in Scotland.

Much coarse fishing is free, but you still need permission.

Lomond is bringing in a permit..not sure when though.

If you want some fun try Magiscroft. They should have gear for hire too.
http://www.magiscroft.com/

There are several coarse angling clubs up here, look on the Scottish Coarse Federation website for links to clubs and waters http://www.sfca.co.uk/

Hope that helps a bit.

If you are up around aberdeen, give me a shout and I will take you fishing.

[Tazitam]

A few pointers... :)

No rod licence needed in Scotland

You DO need permission to fish for coarse fish in Scotland.

Much coarse fishing is free, but you still need permission.

Lomond is bringing in a permit..not sure when though.

If you want some fun try Magiscroft. They should have gear for hire too.
http://www.magiscroft.com/

There are several coarse angling clubs up here, look on the Scottish Coarse Federation website for links to clubs and waters http://www.sfca.co.uk/

Hope that helps a bit.

If you are up around aberdeen, give me a shout and I will take you fishing.
As far as I am led to believe you dont need permission to fish for course fish in Scotland , not since the right to roam act a couple of years back,, you do however need a permit to fish any water with a protection order on it ,,Loch Awe for example,,as for Lomond bringing in a permit,it cant coz there's no protection order on it,and since I've fished Loch Lomond for Pike for the last 40 years they can sing for it,,the idea of a permit on Loch Lomond was to take more money off the visiting angler who is not aware of the law in Scotland,,,Tazitam

[shadyadie]

I have been told you need a permit from arran angling club to fish freshwater anywhere on Arran?

Went Sea fishing today with my set up of leader line with float and sliding weight, with mackeral as bait , caught nothing at all, but spotted someone else fishing who gave me a spinner to try, caught 3 fish in about an hour :D .

[mazzyjane]

Thats one of my first Pike..... 2 winters ago now....Was brilliant fun. ;)

[Backs4more]

As far as I am led to believe you dont need permission to fish for course fish in Scotland , not since the right to roam act a couple of years back,, you do however need a permit to fish any water with a protection order on it ,,Loch Awe for example,,as for Lomond bringing in a permit,it cant coz there's no protection order on it,and since I've fished Loch Lomond for Pike for the last 40 years they can sing for it,,the idea of a permit on Loch Lomond was to take more money off the visiting angler who is not aware of the law in Scotland,,,Tazitam

Sorry, totally wrong.

Lomond HAS a permit, its £2.50 for coarse fish, just heard this through the Pike Anglers Alliance for Scotland, who I was a committee member for. It is a recent introduction and Lomond DOES have a protection order on it as it is part of the National Park. Having said that, protection orders have nothing to do with access for fishing, any water, whether with or without a protection order cannot be fished without permission..however, a blind eye is turend to coarse anglers in many parts.

The right to roam under NO circumstance allows fishing for anything on any water and quite clearly states this.

Quote from page 16 of the Code...

http://www.outdooraccess-scotland.com/upload/Full%20Access%20Code.pdf

"2.14 The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 excludes some other

conduct from access rights
14, including:
•

Hunting, shooting or fishing. These activities still require the
permission of the relevant owner."


This has been the biggest confusion with the access code. I know this as I have been involved as an expert witness in several court cases over the last 18 months involving people Pike fishing a local loch without permission. This has actually led to my club losing the right to fish because of poachers..and thats what they are!

Sorry I sound so angry, but its because I am. We have had nothing but trouble from people quoting the access code roaming across our waters and fishing without permission.

[Tazitam]

Sorry, totally wrong.

Lomond HAS a permit, its £2.50 for coarse fish, just heard this through the Pike Anglers Alliance for Scotland, who I was a committee member for. It is a recent introduction and Lomond DOES have a protection order on it as it is part of the National Park. Having said that, protection orders have nothing to do with access for fishing, any water, whether with or without a protection order cannot be fished without permission..however, a blind eye is turend to coarse anglers in many parts.

The right to roam under NO circumstance allows fishing for anything on any water and quite clearly states this.

Quote from page 16 of the Code...

http://www.outdooraccess-scotland.com/upload/Full%20Access%20Code.pdf

"2.14 The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 excludes some other

conduct from access rights
14, including:

•



Hunting, shooting or fishing. These activities still require the

permission of the relevant owner."


This has been the biggest confusion with the access code. I know this as I have been involved as an expert witness in several court cases over the last 18 months involving people Pike fishing a local loch without permission. This has actually led to my club losing the right to fish because of poachers..and thats what they are!

Sorry I sound so angry, but its because I am. We have had nothing but trouble from people quoting the access code roaming across our waters and fishing without permission.



Im sorry your so angry over this thread,first off the coarse permit you refer to on Lomond is being challenged through the courts as there is No protection order on Loch Lomond and the fact it lies within the national park has no relevance,,Protection order's do have a relevance when it come's to permit's on waters with them,,also I always thought a Poacher was someone who took fish or game without permission??? but you say we Pike angler's are Poacher's,,,I have never killed a pike in 40 odd years of fishing for them and never will ! unlike the game angler's who brag about killing pike when the poor fish happens to take their lure,,this practice still happens on Loch Lomond,,I witnessed a conversation this March in the Loch Lomond angling club a Pike around 25lbs killed,,probably a female about to spawn,this was done by a member of The Loch Lomond Angling Improvement Association,,the name itself is a joke,,I am a pike angler not a poacher,and I am bloody angry that you think I am, Tazitam

[Backs4more]

Ok, this seems to have been missinturprated....:D

First poaching. In a Scottish court of law poaching is defined as fishing or hunting without the permission of the land or water owner. This is irrespective of whether anything has been caught or shot or indeed killed.

Quote from the Oxford Dictionary...

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–noun 1.a person who trespasses on private property, esp. to catch fish or game illegally.


Again, I can speak with authority on this one as I have been called as an expert witness. You could argue that Lomond is not private property through the Access rights, but as stated in a previous post, the rights do not give your permission to fish anywhere in scotland.

As for Lomond, I did some more digging last night and it is the Loch Lomond Angling Improvement lot that have imposed a permit. Now I know this is contraversual to say the least, but until it can be proven that they are acting illegally the permit should be purchased and a receipt obtained. That way you are not poaching and if the challenge to the legitimy of the permit is upheald in court, then you will be able to get your money back. Now, I dont agree with the permit through this group as I, like you, have witnessed barbaric acts by there club members, especially off the Endrick Bank. It is unworkable on Lomond due to its size and its just another way of this club getting money out of visitors and myself, through a national Pike organisation support the overturning of this permit.

I am most certainly NOT calling you or any other Pike angler a poacher. I am however stating that permission should be sought when fishing for any fish in Scotland. However, I am well aware that many waters turn a blind eye to coarse fishing (especially in the far north).

It should also be pointed out that fishing with more than one rod, using banksticks/pods, not holding your rod when fishing and using fish as bait in many waters containing salmon (loch Tay for example) is also illegal under the Freshwater act (Scotland) but sensible clubs, land owners and courts have turned a blind eye to this as well because coarse angling is not specifically mentioned in the act, only fishing these methods for Game fish. Do I fish with fish baits whilst the rods sit on a pod??..of course I do :D :D :D

I will once more state that I am not calling you or any other Pike angler a poacher! If I were it would mean that I have been poaching for 30 years! I have been Regional Organiser for both the PAC and the PAAS and I currently run a Pike angling club in my area. This means I have a keen interest in Piking, coarse fishing and keeping access to Pike open for all. I was just trying to point out to a newcommer that it is better to be above the law with permits and methods than to be challenegd as ignorance is no defense in court. :( In my area the courts are hard on anglers fishing without permission and very large fines have been given to anglers in the past.

So, sorry if you felt I was having a pop at you, I was not, and I will continue to support the PAC and PAAS in its challenge to the permits on Lomond...:)

[shadyadie]

Went spinning today and caught a pollack which is currently being grilled not bad (have always put them back before) not sure if it will quite go round 4 though. :D ;) :D
This fish stands me at about £100 so maybe it would have been cheaper to stay in and buy one from the co-op (no other shops here)

[mike k]

Talking to a mate last night and apparently there's been a few Bass caught beach casting locally using rag warm over the last few days.

I think I may have to have another go......

[upiker2005]

Here's a Pike I caught recently from a water on a Scottish Island.

(25 pound face)

[Backs4more]

Well that can only be one place then ;) Thats a deep puddle you are in :)

[mazzyjane]

He is very often in deep water :D

[upiker2005]

I figured you'd know it Black?

(Fished it ya self face?)

[Backs4more]

Might of ;)

also fished a lot of waters in Essex as thats where I am from.

I have to say, you look familier!!

[upiker2005]

Sorry it's Backs isn't it (not Blacks). Well if you originate from Essex it's possible we may have met? Certainly I've noticed your PAC references and I've been a member since 1984 and I really get about with my Piking!

(Keen Piker face)

[Backs4more]

I was born in Tilbury and moved to Corringham. Fished all the local whates including the famous "Chalk Pit" of Eddie Turner fame. Now a shopping centre i believe. I also fished the Lea Valley extensively :D

If you fancy a trip to Scotland there is always a bed or two available! Could take you to a couple of very special waters!

[upiker2005]

That's a very kind offer Backs, I just might take you up on that? To be honest I've been considering moving up there myself for some time and recent events are leading me to give that even greater consideration.

(lifes a changing face)

[Backs4more]

Well I moved up 24 years ago and the only times I have been back is to visit my parents in Suffolk, and a couple of funerals, otherwise i don't miss down south at all.

I live 20 miles from Aberdeen, in the foothills of the Grampian Mountains, I have deer in my garden, buzzards and hawks flying overhead, I can leave my doors unlocked, and 4x4's are not frowned on in these parts :D

[upiker2005]

Hey Backs, I've noticed that's pretty well North (North East). What's the furthest North you've caught Pike bud?

(Interested face)

[Backs4more]

About 30 miles North of Inverness..but you are getting into the realms of the Brown Trout purists up there and most Pike are netted and slaughtered :( Its slowly changing, but it still goes on at an alarming rate.

[upiker2005]

Aye tis a real shame that Pike are still considered in that way in parts of the UK.

(One day face)

[shadyadie]

Went out fishing last night with the missus and kids in about 2 an half hours we must have caught about 60 mackeral between us, kept about 20 for the next few days tea and put the rest back for another day.

the usual tally is about 0 to 4. :D :D

[G-Cam]

Went out fishing last night with the missus and kids in about 2 an half hours we must have caught about 60 mackeral between us, kept about 20 for the next few days tea and put the rest back for another day.

the usual tally is about 0 to 4. :D :D

Well done- that is some haul.....I Love Mackeral......I take it you were on a Boat?

I fancy some shore based Sea Fishing.....not sure what I would catch mind you........?

Just wondering if you (or anyone else) has tried catching and eating Razor Clams? They are supposed to be really good?

[shadyadie]

Well done- that is some haul.....I Love Mackeral......I take it you were on a Boat?

I fancy some shore based Sea Fishing.....not sure what I would catch mind you........?


We were off shore ( floating pier that goes out about 10m)
Going off some rocks next time though.

would like to go boat fishing, but I haven't a boat.

[Squirtthelandy]

For some cool Scottish wilderness fishing and fantastic scenery together with some off road landy action have a look at 'Fly Fishing Scotland's Wilderness, Wild Trout 2'. http://www.fishyfilms.com

N.

[auld snake hips]

All u need is a lamp and gaff if u fancy some good scottish salmon {this is poachers corner after all}

[Pogmahog]

right all the anglers out there,my 2 boys and myself are taking up fishing (last time i fished was about 27yrs ago)got rods ,reels,some hooks,cpl floats some shot weights, what i need to know is what else do we need for tackle box??,bloody fishing shop confused me too much stuff lol

Don't need all that stuff just dynamite


or more correctly "underwater exposive"

[alex]

Here`s a nice Sea Trout caught by a more sporting method. Just under 3lb off Loch Lomond