Disco 200 TDI - Drowned

[Dannolad]

As the title says, I managed to drown my Disco last night. Was recovered with much embarrasment and stripped the glow plugs and blew out the water.

It is now running rough and wont rev properly, on top of that I create my own (white) smoke screen.

Any ideas? or have a I totally trashed the engine?:flushed:

[sotal2]

I did the same with a series 2.25 diesel engine, just changed the oil, and ignored the white smoke - it cleared after about 10 mins of running around.

don't know if I was just lucky? It runs perfect now though

[toppa]

Did you run the engine while it was sucking in water?

If you did, you have most likely caused serious damge to the engine, water does not compress, so as the engine tries to compress it, things stsart to give way as the pressure builds up, vlaves,con rods, heads, any numbr of things....

But check the obvious first, water in the oil, etc.......

And was the filler cap under water??? Do you have water in the diesel???


CHeers

[|androver]

I seen the result of a hydrolocked 200tdi last weekend. Wow, nasty you could grab the crank pulley and move the crank up and down about half inch !

When your engine is running is it rocking in its mounts? might find the con rods are bent, can still run but as you can imagine its rough.

Might be lucky.

[Devon-Rover]

Recently hydraulicked TDI?

Running rough with white smoke?

Sounds like you have bent a few pushrods and possibly a Con rod or two. Hopefully you haven't damaged the crank.

[Les Henson]

I agree - you will most likely have bent one or more conrods if water got in the engine while it was running. The engine will have to be stripped - head off first and if any of the conrods are bent it will be fairlyy obvious. If the engine starts and runs fairly smoothly with no nasty rattles, then you might get away with just replacing the conrods and big-end bearings. The rubbish accelleration and white smoke are indicative of low compression and as a result the diesel/air mixture isn't being compressed enough to burn efficiently. If the white smoke stinks of diesel, then this is another indicator. Removing the head is quite easy and can be done with a normal set of tools/sockets. No1 and 4 pistons will be at the same height in the bores at any given point, and 2 and 3 will be the same as each other too.

[|androver]

No1 and 4 pistons will be at the same height in the bores at any given point, and 2 and 3 will be the same as each other too.

He hopes !:D

[Dannolad]

It was No3 that was full of water, I have a very small amount of cheese visible on the oil filler cap. I get the distinct feeling that with the luck I have, it will not just be push rods :burnout:

Ah well, dont suppose anybody knows anywhere reasonably cheap near me?

[Les Henson]

I'd suggest you remove the head yourself and then decide what to do. If the damage is major, then it might be cheaper to replace the engine with a good second hand item (£300-400 possibly). If you have to replace the conrods and big end shells yourself, plus head gasket, sump sealant, etc then the difference between doing it yourself and paying someone else to do it might be an important factor. There are plenty of technical threads/people that have done this work themselves, on here or elsewhere on the net to ensure you do the job right.

[Dannolad]

Cheers guys. Going to whip the rocker cover off tonight and have a look first, if its just push rods (I very much doubt it) I will change them first. :(

[Les Henson]

Bent pushrods are usually a syptom of a busted cam belt (timing belt) where piston strikes the open valve - transmitting energy to the weakest pont which is usually the pushrod, which subsequently bends. I would expect a hydro-locked engine to still have straight pushrods - the water would have gone out of the open valve into the manifold, and damage would occur once the valve closed and that would be the opposite way - through the piston and conrod. The conrod would be at a slight angle at close to the top of the stroke, so it bends - being the weak point in the link.

[ROB 110 HICAP]

paul vp uk on here did the same to his 300 disco (nice photo;)) Had one bent conrod which cost £600+vat!

I'd be looking for a complete engine, you'll still get £50 for the old engine on ebay

[Les Henson]

Bearmach price for a 200TDi conrod is £80 + VAT.
Gen price is £111 + VAT

[Dannolad]

I dont think its worth spending much on the engine its done starship mileage. Didnt smoke though, until I took it for a drink :fiddle:

[ROB 110 HICAP]

If you've got space and can borrow a crane you'll swap engines in a weekend. Some people buy cranes for £120 and sell em aftrewards getting almost all the money back

[Dannolad]

Rocker cover off and it all looks OK, guess I have ******ed the bottom end :yikes: Quick phonecal to the isurance company and they are collecting it on Monday, guess its a write off :depressed, wonder what they will give me if I keep it and get it fixed myself?

Fortunately it got drowned at a ford on a metalled B Road and I wasnt playing in the mud this time.

[Les Henson]

If your insurance company write the vehicle off, then it's only because they consider it to be beyond economical repair, so it's ok for it to go back on the road. You can ask to buy it back and they generally agree to this as it saves them having to dispose of it themselves. You could possibly buy it back for a couple or so hundred quid, and the difference between what they pay you and what you pay them could be enough to repair it and have it back on the road. You might even have enough left to fill the fuel tank/ buy wifey a new frock :D

[BrianH]

paul vp uk on here did the same to his 300 disco (nice photo;)) Had one bent conrod which cost £600+vat!

I'd be looking for a complete engine, you'll still get £50 for the old engine on ebay

I had it happen to my 300tdi. The Conrod is about £80. But the job in total cost me around a grand, because an injector was also damaged, it disintegrated inside the head so I had to replace the head, all four injectors, the conrod, piston rings, I replaced the clutch while the engine was out and a few other bits and pieces

Brian

[Dannolad]

I have well and truly tonked the engine and with the wear it has I think It will just be easier to replace it. :eek:

[Dannolad]

Well I have managed to bend myself over the desk and shaft myself. The insurance have written it off (no big deal), yes I am getting a cheque, but Admiral have flatly refused to let me buy it back on the cheap and fix it. Apparently it is a new law just come in to prevent vehicle fraud(?) :confuseda

[ROB 110 HICAP]

Pants.....at least you can go looking for summat else.

[robzki]

Hi all

lol

They always quote the 'new' law. they did the same to me 5yrs ago... I argued with them for a few days and in the end they let me keep the car as long as I put an mot on it. I offered them £500 or so for the car (valued at £1000 by them in perfect order. and they let me keep it for nothing. £5 for a number plate and £40 mot and I was back on the road. :) not bad considering they paid me £855 for the car. I paid £400 for 40k miles before!! and it went on to do another 40k. :D I only took it off the road because it was too damn reliable. got boring in the end.... It is well worth being persistant they will give in if you try hard enough. you have little to lose but a lot to gain.


Good luck

Robzki

[Dannolad]

Time to pester, I like this disco, it isnt flashy but I like it. humbug :mexican:

[Dannolad]

The barstewards will not let go, sadly I wave goodbye this morning. Time to look for another I guess :Cross: