TD 1.... Half Shaft 0

[joe019]

Unfortunately after two months of relative peace and inactivity in my garage, the landrover stole the show again.... The rear half shaft (the shorter one) has called it a day! I removed both shafts and took out the diff so as to clean all metal debris from there. The oil felt as iif there were tiny metal pieces in it. Tomorrow with the help of some sun light I will be able to check on the conditions of the other shaft.

However after all the work I was happy to see that the crown wheel and co are in very good condition.

[olo]

at least u knew it was the half shaft!! i'd still be lookin at it tryin to figure out wot went bang!

[joe019]

After I heard the bang, All I knew is that there was somethnig wrong in the rear axle cause the prop shaft was rotating normaly while the landy was standing still (I still got the series gear box between with the TD and 4.7 diffs). Then I turned off the engine, engaged a gear, jacked up one of the rear wheels and found it rotating freely. From there I concluded that it was either the shaft or else the thing that bolts the wheel to the shaft (forgot its name).

at least u knew it was the half shaft!! i'd still be lookin at it tryin to figure out wot went bang!

[Reiny]

What you're referring to is the drive flange or drive coupling. On a non-Salisbury axles, the drive flange doesn't give up the ghost as much as the half shafts do. The Salisbury, is a different bucket of fish. The shafts rarely break but the drive flanges do.

Olo, fadallek x'titghallem xbin!! There's a LOOONNGG (and unfortunately, expensive) way to go! And unless you show Linux the shadows in your spare time and get your hands dirty, you can give a new, signed cheque book to your mechanic and work your butt off to pay his bills. Don't fret though. You'll learn how to recognise smells, sounds and other horrible, expensive things which your landy will manifest from time to time!

[tdi200]

Welcome to the world of butter shafts! he he he............... Start counting them from now on!

One piece of advise, check the other shaft well, if there is a minimal hint of spline twist, replace immediately, as that will be the next to fail.

Grem

[olo]

yea i realised rein, am hoping i wont learn it all at one go... for my pockets sake! lol however i'd like to learn much more bout these vechiles

[Reiny]

You will, don't worry. Don't be shy to ask. No question is stupid, and most of all, don't be scared to try your hand at repairing (after getting advice)

[olo]

hehe the last 1 counts alot for me, coz am scared i'll f**k it up even more

[joe019]

Yes I check it really well. It seems fine .. perfect for the naked eye. But I am being told that the old shaft wont like the presence of the new one and will break in the next couple of weeks.... hehee

Joseph

Welcome to the world of butter shafts! he he he............... Start counting them from now on!

One piece of advise, check the other shaft well, if there is a minimal hint of spline twist, replace immediately, as that will be the next to fail.

Grem

[cil111]

Joe

with the TD and Series shafts u are running a bit of a deadly combination man... though what can be done apart from a total conversion ma nafx jien.. grem can help here
a common friend of reiny and myself did the same thing last year... in his first drive to our favourite swimming place the guy got jacked up from the middle on a rock... peress illi our dear friend is very gentle on his car .. he started revving all out to try and dislodge himself... PPIINGG
result....he ended up being towed

series shafts were meant to be used on 2.3 diesel and petrols not on more powerful engines...
ma nafx if it can be done though the best thing is to rebuild your axles using 90 ones at least xejn xejn u get 3.54 ratios which will help your fuel economy... though the practical side of this ma nafiex to be honest...

[joe019]

Hi Cil,

Thanks for your advice. A while ago before this happened, I was considering changing the diffs so that I get the 3.5 ratios. The reason was to get a bit more speed and fuel economy. Also this would move the pressure away from the shafts to the Gearbox/transfer case. I just hope that the box and case can handle this increase in torque. Or else I will weld something under the accelarator pedal so that I wont be able to floor it!

Regards
Joseph

Joe

with the TD and Series shafts u are running a bit of a deadly combination man... though what can be done apart from a total conversion ma nafx jien.. grem can help here
a common friend of reiny and myself did the same thing last year... in his first drive to our favourite swimming place the guy got jacked up from the middle on a rock... peress illi our dear friend is very gentle on his car .. he started revving all out to try and dislodge himself... PPIINGG
result....he ended up being towed

series shafts were meant to be used on 2.3 diesel and petrols not on more powerful engines...
ma nafx if it can be done though the best thing is to rebuild your axles using 90 ones at least xejn xejn u get 3.54 ratios which will help your fuel economy... though the practical side of this ma nafiex to be honest...

[landymaniac]

hmmmmm wheni heard about you changing the engine ..............i said next project will be coil springs and i'm still waiting for that day to see your van withcoil springs

[tdi200]

Joe

with the TD and Series shafts u are running a bit of a deadly combination man... though what can be done apart from a total conversion ma nafx jien.. grem can help here

No conversion, just be gentle and they last quite a lot, burnouts and loads of wheelspin shorten thier life, shockloading 10 spliners is a no no!

series shafts were meant to be used on 2.3 diesel and petrols not on more powerful engines...
ma nafx if it can be done though the best thing is to rebuild your axles using 90 ones at least xejn xejn u get 3.54 ratios which will help your fuel economy... though the practical side of this ma nafiex to be honest...

Well i run 10 splines in front with my engine, i never blew a shaft and i am not what one could call gentle with my vehicle, but i blew a diff! so 10 spliners may hold up fine. Upgrading to a 90 axle is not a solution, 3.54 diffs are niether a solution, you will run into major headaches and expensis. If you wish to upgrade the rear then its either the salisbury route (cheap but a heavy *******), or aftermarket shafts.

But if you drive reasonably and go light on the clutch pedal then the shafts will be more then suitable for your application especially if you do not attempt major hardcore off road obstacles. Other wise carry a set of spare shafts, a magnet, long rod and some gasket sealer, 15 mins and replace the shaft if it happens again. Easy!

I just hope that the box and case can handle this increase in torque

Forget it!!!!!! some day the gearbox will blow up as well! the only decent bit which i have found indestructable is the transfer case, the rest will some day eventually fail!

Grem

[cil111]

Well i run 10 splines in front with my engine, i never blew a shaft and i am not what one could call gentle with my vehicle,

yeah man true imma inti mhux tal Stage 1 ghandek which were much stronger since they were meant for the V8..

grem series shafts are different to the 90 ones hux? because i am sort of getting naqra mixed up here

[tdi200]

Before i got the stage 1's i ran normal shafts in front, plus that i doubt the stage 1's are of a different material!! Its only the cv's which should be tougher trough sheer size. Issa 90 10 spline shafts are the same as series shafts, 10 spline at the diff and 24 spline at the hub, some series are 10 spline both ends. Material i belive is similar with the same strenght, maybe 90 one are marginally better, the difference lies in the permannent 4 configuration.

IMO Perm 4wd makes all 4 shafts share the same load on the road while a 2wd vehicle will stress the rears more, on a daily basis, Hence the first offroad foray with stressed shafts which might have seen loads of towing and other twisting forces will fail much quicker then its 4wd counterpart.

As i said before a 10 spliner might out last the vehicle if driven sensibly and not abused, but some day one will fail. Go offroad often and give them a couple of good rocky hills and they wont last long. No big deal, so, they are reletively cheap and easy to replace at the rear. Run them till they break, if its very often then upgrade, especially if you drive like a pig and trash it offroad.

Grem